Minimum marriage age per state (all but 4 ALLOW child marriage)

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[–]Tarlatan 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

No. 1 goal was avoiding births out of wedlock, a terrifying idea to the middle class until the end of the 1960s.

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    [–]Canbot 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    Anyone who thinks this is an accurate depiction of conservative dads is absolutely fucking retarded. More left wing slander from our resident left wing propagandists.

    Everyone sees how it is the left that pushes degeneracy. From pushing sex propaganda to young children through school and media to helping young kids get birth control washout their parents knowledge. It is the left that is constantly sexualizing children and taking advantage of their youthful ignorance and pliability to brainwash them into sexual and deviant behavior.

    No one should be under the impression that people who want to allow marriage for two young lovers are actually interested in allowing kids to have sex with adults. This is a propagandist spin. So is calling 17 year olds children to spin this as child marriage. despicable propaganda.

    Let's have a real conversation about consent and children. If teenagers aren't developed enough to make decisions about marriage, which can easily be reversed; then they sure as fuck are not developed enough as preteens to decide they are the wrong sex.

    Which states ban hormone blockers for actual children (under 12)?

    [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It is a terrifying prospect period if you understand that all of European society’s stability hinges upon monogamy.

    Evolutionary trade offs incentivize certain behaviors within a monogamous society like dads as economically responsible for their mates and children, low violence, high cooperation and high egalitarianism between males, high status among females. When high status males agree to limit themselves to a single mate, this reduces the scarcity of females for low status males, disincentivizes wealth hoarding, sexual agression and violence among males. High status males invest more resources per mate and per offspring. Quality over quantity. But sexual behavior must be controlled for both males and females.

    The other two options are matrilineal polygamy— in which female sexual behavior is not strongly controlled and therefore paternal involvement is not incentivized (dead beat dads)— and patriarchal/patrilineal polygamy in which female sexual behavior is strongly controlled but high status males can have as many females as they want. Patriachal polygamy is marked by low status for females and high violence and wealth disparity among males. Also typical is child brides and large age disparity among bride and groom.

    These traits are GENETICALLY selected for within these regimes after a few generations. We are currently a polygamous society surviving on the fumes of monogamy which we threw in the trash 50 years ago. The evolutionary bill is going to come due in the next few generations. The monogamy pact between males doesnt work unless everyone follows it.

    Monogamy doesn’t make sense because God wants you to only screw around within marriage. It makes sense from an evolutionary viewpoint. But only if you have a subjective preference for lower levels of murder, rape, theft, kiddie fucking, women as chattel, and higher levels of trust, prosperity, dads who live with you.

    oh god those bourgeois middle class thow-backs and their hysteria

    Its an incredibly rational strategy for building prosperous peaceful societies https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/monogamous-societies-superior-to-polygamous-societies

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yep... they thought that was a bigger problem than pedophiles raping little girls.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (10 children)

    This is really fucked up! Only four states ban child marriage, and four of them even allow literal babies to get married. This, among other things, proves the government is controlled by pedophiles. When I run for office in 2024: I'll run on banning child marriage entirely in Arkansas.

    They tried to ban baby marriage in California, but the ACLU and Planned Parenthood stopped it.

    Hill wanted California to set a strict line at age 18, but the effort encountered swift opposition from fellow legislators, as well as groups that include the ACLU and Planned Parenthood.

    I guess ACLU stands for American Child Lover's Union... and Planned Parenthood should be renamed Planned Pedophilia.

    I just took the data from Wikipedia, which might be outdated.

    [–]CANDYASSES 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

    https://www.muslimhope.com/AishaNine.htm

    [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Its typical to have child brides within any patriarchal polygamy. Patriarchal polygamy becomes a reproductive arms race among high status males who can acquire multiple females through violence or wealth accumulation. It is a system that incentivizes males to acquire younger and younger brides. The “taste” for very young brides is a genetic predisposition among males in societies that have been polygamous for many generations. This happens in other non-Islamic societies. Islam may have established this practice as acceptable or desireable but its now genetic. I think you see this in Australian Aboriginal societies as well if Im not mistaken

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    There's nothing patriarchal about polygamy. A polygynous social structure is what "liberated" women naturally tend towards. The vast majority of women would rather be a Chad's side piece than a schlubby beta male's one and only. Monogamy is something men impose in order to make civilizational development possible.

    [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It depends on which polygamous model you favor. But matrilineal polygamy is somewhat liberated. Brave single moms live with their birth family and the maternal uncle is the male role model. Paternity cannot be established because of female promiscuity, so fathers have zero motivation to support mate and children that might not be his. Dads are not a thing. These are not prosperous societies. Male reproductive strategy is quantity over quality. Multiple baby mamas that he dont support. Girlfriend gotta live with her brother. Males who do not support their own children do not strive for economic productivity. Many societies in SS Africa, a few in SE Asia and the Americas.

    In patriarchal polygamy the high status male will typically control multiple females and he will probably be expected to support them if he can be certain of paternity. Generation of wealth to support females can only happen when males can ensure paternity. Supporting someone elses babies is too evolutionarily costly. These Chads will jealously guard their females and lower status males (younger, poorer) will have fewer opportunities to mate. Similar to gorilla model where the males compete very violently for control of the harem. They don’t spend a lot of time caring for their children just competing with other males. Low trust, low prosperity.

    If you look at what is happening in the US or other western countries, you will see that wealthier men like DT and Mel are polygamous patriarchs. They have a lot of wealth and a fair amount of control over their trophy wives. Most of them are supporting their exes.

    Lower and middle class females have more matrilineal polygamy pattern. Maybe the baby daddy pays support or pays a visit now and again. Maybe not. Brave single moms employ hunter gatherer strategy by collecting food stamps, other gibs, doesn’t need a man but doesn’t live well.

    Monogamy is a pact that men impose upon each other. Not women. The alpha male must be prevented from taking more than his share. High status is enjoyed by high value females far more than in the polygamous society.

    Patriarchal polygamist females get more economic support from males than matrilineal polygamist females. But their power is lower. A demanding high value female can be replaced by two lower value females quite easily in patriarchal polygamy. So even very high value females have lowered bargaining power over the polygamist Chad. He can replace her.

    Feminists haven’t figured this out yet.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Muhammad was a pedophile.

    [–]CANDYASSES 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Muhammad was a pedophile.

    and you are a woman that has a penis.

    [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

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    [–]fred_red_beans 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Got it

    [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Its not true. Look up those states’ marriage laws.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    That's what I did to make the map. There are multiple sources cited in the Wikipedia article that I read.

    [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    WV:

    Minimum Legal Age Without Parental Consent - Male: 18; Female: 18

    Minimum Legal Age With Parental Consent - Male: 16; Female: 16

    Minors under 16 may obtain license with parental consent and court order.

    OK:

    Minimum Legal Age With Parental Consent Male: 16; Female: 16

    Minimum Legal Age Without Parental Consent Male: 18; Female: 18

    Minors under 16 may obtain license in case of pregnancy or birth of child with parental consent and court authorization.

    This is a totally disingenuous chart. I only checked these two states and obviously the marriage age is not zero.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    You didn't list a single source.

    Also, you literally just proved the map is right. How can you say I'm wrong when you provided evidence that I'm right? At least try to doctor the evidence.

    WV:

    Minors under 16 may obtain license with parental consent and court order.

    OK:

    Minors under 16 may obtain license in case of pregnancy or birth of child with parental consent and court authorization.

    [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    The source is the legal code which you can look up on dozens of sites like this one.

    https://statelaws.findlaw.com

    California and Wyoming are the same — all require court approval.

    I think you should consider that the mentality of people living 100 or even 50 years ago was not the same as it is now. The rules of decent behavior were determined by chrisitan society and not lawyers. The need for lawyers to settle disputes was rare. That was up to ministers and priests. The church did not allow babies to marry. All judges on the bench were christians in good standing with the church. All.

    Any judge that gave permission for someone to marry a baby would have been removed from the bench or perhaps just strung from a tree. And no one would have batted an eye. Because everyone agreed that christian morality trumped legal rulings. You know nothing of this because you have grown up in a litigeous society. Most people think law is the basis of right and wrong in the US. But people in the past believed that leaving rare complex cases to the best judgement of a respected member of society was more sensible than trying to account for every eventuality.

    The idea that every eventuality must be written into legal code because if legal code does not bar a behavior it is acceptable is not an idea that comes from European christian culture or English Common Law, it comes from Talmudic scholarship— i.e. If the bible doesnt ban it, you can do it. That is the principle on which this country is run today. But not historically.

    Child brides were rare in the past because monogamy was enforced and people were not allowed to have sex out of wedlock. It was a crime and a sin. Northwest europeans all practiced enforced monogamy, a system that drives up the marriage age, genetically as I have explained elsewhere. The average age of marriage for females in northwest Europe has been 23 for about 800 years at least. Pagan Germanic hoards had a marriage age limit at 20 per Tacitus. Brides younger than 15 were so rare as to not be worth mentioning. Basically these young marriages only happened among the aristocracy.

    So when marriage of a child bride occured in the US it was historically only because someone had already had sex illegally out of wedlock with a young person and they may have been pregnant and their reputation for not being the town whore for the rest of their life was in jeopardy. And perhaps they felt the childs immortal soul was in danger as well.

    Generally very young people like this did not have decent parents looking after them and marriage was one way to ensure that they were fed and there was a roof over their heads. There was no such thing as welfare of public housing. Facilities for wayward women was shit. For many, marriage was the best slice of a shit pie.

    Being the town whore was a life ruiner because everyone understood the danger of the end of monogamy. Look around.

    You may not feel like it is reasonable for people to brand someone a whore for getting knocked up at 12 out of wedlock but enforced monogamy is a package, when you turn it in to a buffet it falls apart. Enforced monogamy is a system that worked for thousands of years in Europe, it keeps marriage age of females high, rate of paternal responsibility high, and a whole bunch of things we take for granted that will start to fade, now that we are a POLYGAMOUS society. Keeping out of wedlock sex and bastardy taboo worked to discourage people from fucking recklessly.

    Monogamy has the best record for minors not getting FUCKED. Our society has destroyed all the barriers to prevent minors from getting fucked. Litigeousness is destroying our cultural values. Secularism has destroyed monogamy. And now we are importing people from populations in which child brides are typical, not rare— populations in which sex with very young females is a genetic predisposition because of polygamy.

    You are taking some laws totally out of context because you think the world a hundred years ago is the same as it is now. There was an entire set of cultural and religious rules that modern America has thrown out. All these people fighting for sexual access to young children would have been jailed or killed. Problem solved. You think the solution to the problem is more laws and more lawyers. It isn’t. Secular rule is the problem.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    California and Wyoming are the same — all require court approval.

    Once again, you prove my point.

    I think you should consider that the mentality of people living 100 or even 50 years ago was not the same as it is now.

    I'm not even going to debate your defense of child marriage. Anyone defending pedophilia in any way, shape, or form ain't worth my time.

    [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Thats what you got from my comment. That I defend child marriage. Wow.

    Nobody married babies a hundred years ago. Nobody.

    No one who wrote that law ever thought anyone was going to marry babies.

    Hey I just found out that there is no law against eating kindergarteners in Nevada. I guess the people in Nevada are just sick!

    This is pretty much the mentality you are bringing to this debate. You are unwilling to consider that their lack of litigeousness is the reason for their lack of specificity in the law.

    Finally, it feels like you are trying to paint me as a pedophile apologist for disagreeing with your interpretation. That is not good.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    "The idea that every eventuality must be written into legal code because if legal code does not bar a behavior it is acceptable is not an idea that comes from European christian culture or English Common Law, it comes from Talmudic scholarship— i.e. If the bible doesnt ban it, you can do it. That is the principle on which this country is run today. But not historically."

    Damn.

    [–]bjam27 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    Now do all of Europe and you'll see way lower numbers.

    [–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Nope.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriageable_age#Europe

    Most of them are sixteen, but a few are at zero "With judicial consent". Thankfully, parental consent usually doesn't lower the age like it does in the US... but again, all you need is one pedophile judge.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Very interesting. Perhaps these are old laws that have not been challenged. Some of these states have marriage ages that are lower than the general age of consent:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States#/media/File:Ages_of_Consent_-_United_States.svg

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I assumed politicians just forgot about them over time, but since they voted down a law to ban baby marriage in CA, it's obvious they hope to use these loopholes themselves.

    [–]bluetinfoilhat 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    we need to pass a nationwide age of consent for sex and marriage. It shouldn't vary by age. And while relatively few minors are married in the US the fact the loophole exist is dangerous.

    [–]filbs111 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    Wrong maps sub.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Where am I supposed to post it?

    [–]filbs111 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    It's a joke.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    k