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[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

All of this seems to be part of a computer game commentary.

Well I dont think so but aside from the style critique, did you understand it? Was it comprehensible to you?

Naturally, I cant download my entire political and economic philosophy in one comment but you asked me for alternatives and since we were on the subject of extinction rebellion I gave you several specific suggestions regarding clean energy. And then you said you wanted more political and social examples and again I gave you some.

You think some extinction rebellion guy climbing up the side of chase bank is a “social and political solution”, but when I say specifically how to raise real wages or diminish Wall Street’s power by defanging the Fed, its not a solution. When I suggest depriving the corrupt bureacracy of its 4 billion dollar yearly welfare check, you say its not a solution. What is your idea of a social /political solution then? Is it possible that you dont see economic solutions as political and social solutions because you think these things are separate? Economics is human behavior. Its really not about money.

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to raise real wages or diminish Wall Street’s power by defanging the Fed

Yes - it's a great idea.

But it's only one basic idea. Many steps are necessary, one of which is XR. Your idea doesn't negate their physical activism, not by a long shot. You'll also want to know how your ideas will work in the broader context of US and Geo-politics, not to mention the assistance that would be necessary from other forms of activisism and ways of voting for the appropriate candidates.

What is your idea of a social /political solution then?

To work within the current system to improve upon it

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Yes - it's a great idea.

But do you understand how to accomplish that? Its by controlling the supply of labor. Not by slapping a bandaid on with a fake national minimum wage law which addresses little green pieces of paper with no inherent value. Not by climbing on to buildings.

There are only two ways to increase wages

  1. Increase demand of labor — more manufacturing for example

  2. Decrease labor supply - for example, stop importing labor to undercut domestic workers.

Those are the only ways to increase the price of labor. The ONLY WAYS. Raising fake dollar wages only inflates the dollar. This is one of their tricks, make you feel like you have more wealth when the dollar only loses value. You cant just pass a law “Pay poor people more $$$, meanies” because passing laws doesnt creat any additional wealth. It just makes a dollar worth a little less. More little green papers, same amount of wealth.

Now that you know how to raise the real price of labor, tell me why XR is against both these things?

I realize that is one basic idea but I wanted you do understand there is an economic mechanism at work. Affect that and you can produce real social change.

Tell me why XR is a necessary step for positive social change. What is their physical activism accomplishing? Dont say raise awareness. That is meaningless. Thats just code for indocrinate more people. How are any of their demands going to fix a broken political and economic system, in practical terms.

You say ‘activism’ like its an end unto itself. How does it improve anything. How do you know ‘activism’ isnt making things worse? Since it seems to have no concrete suggestions that are constructive. This is like a christian saying “we need to pray more”, why?

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Increase demand of labor — more manufacturing for example Decrease labor supply - for example, stop importing labor to undercut domestic workers.

You keep repeating your points, but without noting how this would happen. It's as if you want to repeat 'black pill' talking points, without discussing the method of the solution. I've mentioned the method. Unlike you, I am not oversimplifying anything by concentrating on one idea or another. The essential argument is that you have to be open to several options that may be useful.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Im sorry for being repetitive. I feel that when you understand how these systems work , its just like a physics problem, the solution becomes obvious.

Billionaires are importing labor, skilled and unskilled. We dont need either. We have a ton of both skilled and unskilled workers that need higher paying jobs.

Its colonization pure and simple. Todays aristocrats are doing it for the exact same reason they did it in the colonial era. Moving Scottish protestants in to ireland. Moving Indians into Burma, moving Chinese people in to malasia and africans to America. Cheap labor and political leverage.

There are other ways to limit the labor supply. End no fault divorce, tax only dual income households and singles earners over 30. The truth is when women moved into the work force it cut wages in half and caused families to work twice as hard. Now we have a lot of people working in a worthless bureacracy and not enough people birthing and raising children. In fact no one is raising children except for the internet and public school teachers, who are not doing a great job at it.

Increasing domestic manufacturing will also drive up labor costs.

Black pill is more like a person who is really toxic and negative, someone who has given up looking for constructive solutions and just keeps repeating doomed sentiments and demoralizing everyone.

I have given you some ideas and some specifics about those ideas. Why dont you tell me what XRs strategy is for fixing society other than talking about how bad white people are? What options are you talking about? Maybe you dont want to say on here because you dont want to end up on a list. Fine. Just say so. But it seems like you ask me for specifics and I gave you a few and then you said I was too specific. And youve failed to give me any inkling of why I should support XR because you havent articulated what solutions they advocate that you like.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

the solution becomes obvious.

Thus we can write them down.

Billionaires are importing labor, skilled and unskilled.

Exactly - thus reduce the number of H1-B visas that can be offered. This would rely on government support. Pressure on the government to do this would have to come from the 99%.

End no fault divorce,

This is a human rights violation; a non-starter

tax only dual income households and singles earners over 30.

I am not sure this is necessary, as the tax would be based on income.

The truth is when women moved into the work force it cut wages in half and caused families to work twice as hard.

This is not true, and at best a gross oversimplification. Multiple factors kept wages stagnant, driven principly by the 1% and Big Corp.

Now we have a lot of people working in a worthless bureacracy and not enough people birthing and raising children.

This is another oversimplification and does not support your approach to limiting the available labor. Fertility rates are mush lower, but the world is overpopulated. Reducing the population is good.

In fact no one is raising children except for the internet and public school teachers, who are not doing a great job at it.

No evidence for this, even if it were remotely true.

Increasing domestic manufacturing will also drive up labor costs.

Yes; a win-win

I have given you some ideas and some specifics about those ideas.

All of the solutions you mention would require government intervention, which requires political activitism, voting, &c. This political aspect of the solution is what I've been asking for. The 1% (and Republicans) will not help you. The party and politician that supports the 99% will help.

Why dont you tell me what XRs strategy is for fixing society other than talking about how bad white people are?

It's just a group that brings much needed attention to the problems of Climate Change (because it's man-made), in order to help the public and government appreciate that something must be done. They have impressive strategies for getting in the news and calling attention to themselves and the cause. It's not complicated. The more people are aware of the problems of man-made Climate Change and ways to deal with it, they more they will make political decisions that will help deal with these problems. XR thereby helps the 99%, as they protest against the 1%.

Maybe you dont want to say on here because you dont want to end up on a list. Fine. Just say so.

This is strange. I've explained XR several times in the thread.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

This is a human rights violation; a non-starter

Some priests say getting a divorce is a sin. Your priest says failing to grant people divorces is a sin. Except you call your priest a lawyer and your call your sin a “human rights violation”. From a legal point of view marriage is a contract. Why is it a human rights violation to hold someone to a contract? This is just your religious belief.

Divorce regimes are polygamous societies from an anthropological perspective. The problem with polygamous societies it that they promote genetic traits like high violence, high sexual agression, strict control over female sexuality (generally), lack of paternal care toward offspring, and lack of egalitarianism. Genetically.

People dont understand how evolution works. They believe societies develop cultural traits “accidentally” or randomly. But it is because of different environmental constraints that cultures vary from country to country. Monogamy/Polygamy systems are a key force in the evolution of human societies. High violence and high greed are traits that make polygamists very successful so they are more frequent in polygamous societies. The US and Europe were strictly monogamous cultures until the last 100 years or so. Weve now switched over to a polygamous system. The result will be higher levels of violence and rape and lower egalitarianism. Because the population is changing genetically. There has been a fair amount of research done on this subject.

I am not sure this is necessary, as the tax would be based on income.

Its necessary to reduce the workforce. Remember how I said you have to reduce the labor supply? This is how you do it.

Workers agree that half of them will quit their jobs and stay home, theoretically the wages will double because labor becomes scarce and expensive. So worker will make 2x the money. But they have to share their $$ with the workers that have agreed to stay home. So we have to create an institution in which the workers with the $$ give half of it to the folks that stayed home. Oh wait, we already have one, its called marriage.

Hey why have wages steadily declined since the 1950s ? Its like a total mystery

Its not a mystery. If workers agree to stay married and share one income between the two of them, they will have roughly the same income as before but will only have to work half as much on average. So you want to encourage workers to follow this rule and not be scabs. You only tax two income households who are breaking ranks. Otherwise, no taxes for working people. Taxes are not good. They are really only useful as a punishment. We are taxing way too much and its leading to corruption of the people who get to spend the taxes.

This is another oversimplification and does not support your approach to limiting the available labor.

Not true. I want to increase the ratio of $$/hrs worked (for the bottom 95%,) per person. I dont want to reduce the number of people.

but the world is overpopulated. Reducing the population is good.

Some people in the world have ancestors that evolved in cold climates. Those people evolved (genetically) more risk averse strategies for surviving long harsh winters with low food supply, such as fewer children. Other groups evolved in warmer climates with higher food supply year round but also higher competition from other people. They evolved more risk taking strategies including higher number of offspring. Higher rates of polygamy. These are gene based behaviors that were determine by environments over thousands of years.

People who evolved in cold climates do not have an overpopulation problem. They have an underpopulation problem. They typically have to work too hard and too long to save money to marry and have children. Beause they are genetically risk averse. That is the burden that the corrupt wealth stealing bureacracy is putting on them. These people have a right to have children.

People whose ancestry evolve in hot climates have an overpopulation problem. It is not their fault and they are not choosing it. It is a natural behavior that is typical to them. They have a more risk taking strategy They have more resources and more medical care and so more of their children are surviving childhood. They need to modify their reproductive behavior to meet their economic capabilties. They need to work it out for themselves and the World Bank, the UN, the IMF and other billionaire orgs need to stay the fuck out of their countries and stop socially engineering them. This is colonialism.

However. In north america and europe you have a lot of people from more risk averse groups who are working harder and harder to earn less and less and pay more and more taxes, and those taxes are spent on groups with high numbers of children who cannot afford to care for them. People with a risky strategy (having a lot of kids when you are young and poor) are appropriating money from people with more risk averse strategies. This is unfair. These are two groups that are not playing by the same set of rules. The people who are putting off child bearing are being harmed. You cannot take advantage of a groups natural behaviors to steal from them. No one should be required to forego reproduction to pay for someone else to replace them who is more reckless. This is a human rights violation in my book. You are using the bureacracy to annihilate entire races. Thats not really what its meant to do.

The bureacracy is appropriating from people who are reproducing infrequently and redistributing that wealth to people who are reproducing more frequently. This is why you have an overpopulation problem. People have not adjusted their behavior. The bureacracy is encouraging them not to.

All of the solutions you mention would require government intervention, which requires political activitism,

No. Just cut off their money. Once you take away the trillion dollars they get to play with every year, they will do what you want to get it back. That is what most right wing people have been saying all along while left wing people advocate taking more and more $$ from working people and giving it to bureacrats

The 1% (and Republicans) will not help you. The party and politician that supports the 99% will help.

You mean that right and left workers do not agree on the solution. Right wing people are plenty politically active. I think you mean that they dont protest and riot too much and when they do antifa usually show up and beat them bloody becuase you know, some guy who drives a pickup truck and works for a living (unlike most antifa rioters) is the real enemy.

The right wing wants to completely dismember wall street. Not even the magatard boomers will fight you on that one. The question is, when is the left going to realize the the government bureacracy are not good guys, they are corrupt, they hate the people, they produce nothing and are part of the problem? Bureacracy is bureacracy. Governement is not magic.

This racial justice stuff and all the BLM rioting is just a side show. Paid for by billionaires who want to distract from the real problem, billionaires. So they have convinced gullible college students that the real problem is some dude in arkansas who makes $20 an hour and lives in a mobile home. I mean that is dumb. The billionaires, and all the corporate entities btw, are leftists, and pushing progressive left wing propaganda. Maybe if all the billionaires, and all the corporations and all the people in the political bureacracy are leftists and democrats, maybe its not really a rebellion. Maybe its a carefully staged psyop marketed to teenagers who dont understand how the world works?

Ive discussed CO2 AGW earlier (aka man made climate change). If youve studied the biologic or geologic history of the earth, you understand that climate change is always ongoing. When the pyramids were built in Egypt, the Sahara desert was covered in grass and trees. Thats how fast the climate changes, all the time. They have brain washed people who dont understand the physics, that any observable change in regional or global climates is evidence of a world wide pending catastrophe and BILLIONAIRES and their puppets in government are pushing this to have greater control over the world energy sector. Its fake. Weather changes. Thats what it does.

Limiting pollution to the environment and increasing efficiency are things I am all for.

They have impressive strategies for getting in the news and calling attention to themselves and the cause.

Because its all a show. Theres no substance. The purpose is to brain wash people in to a hysteria, not to educate them on the science. You are so committed but you didnt even know what I meant by AGW.

When you allow a small number of billionaires to hoard all the fossil fuels on earth, you will put the world economy back to 1800s economic capabilities. The civilization of the 1800s cannot not support 8 billion people. Every industry that uses oil will retract. The poorest people will be hit the hardest. You have no idea what will happen when you turn out all the lights and shut off everyones furnaces. The power fiasco in Texas, rolling black outs, these are the start. It is caused by trying to implement green energy technologies that are not advanced enough to support power consumption. The battery technology required for power stability is not there. It is 50 years away. You will be killing poor people. This is what XR wants to do, yes? Just cut off all the carbon fossil fuel and we’ll see how it goes? They dont understand climate physics, they dont understand economics, they dont understand energy production. They are useful idiots subsidized by the elite. You think you’re on the side the little people but you’re not.

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No. Just cut off their money. Once you take away the trillion dollars they get to play with every year, they will do what you want to get it back. That is what most right wing people have been saying all along

Republican-controlled Congress put the US $27 trillion in debt before January. They are famous for tax cuts for themselves, and destroying opportunities for the 99%, among other financial abuses.

while left wing people advocate taking more and more $$ from working people and giving it to bureacrats

That's the opposite of what has happened.

Solution: vote for people who look after the 99% and continue activitism for the 99%, as is happening with XR and others. Republicans have been killing the US.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

First of all I dont give a damn about the republicans. The party leadership is just corrupt. I dont care for that retarded spending bill that was passed but they made a mistake. They cut taxes for some working people which was good. But they acquiesced to democrat spending demands which is bad. If they had rejected the deal, they could have just let the goverment shut down and let government employees go home. The government is broken. It need to be closed down the way chaes bank needs to be closed down. The government doesnt make anything. Its only job is to serve the workers who generate useful goods and services. But it cant do that anymore. Its just being run by billionaires. Look at all the cash they gave corporations as covid rescue plans. Welfare for billionaires. Its broken, shut it down already. Stop supporting the bureacracy. It cant fix any problems for working people.

continue activitism

Activism itself is not good or bad. It depends on what is being advocated and what solutions are proposed.

Activism for its own sake is meaningless. Its just a tantrum. I think this allows a lot of young people to have an opportunity to virtue signal their spiritual purity, while also socializing and getting a lot of attention which is also what young people like. But it is vain.

Do you get how shutting down traffic to make people look at you cuz ‘activism’ when you dont understand economics or climate science or energy is pure self-indulgence that accomplishes nothing?

oh we’re for the 99%

How?

Republicans have bee killing the US

All the major corporations on wall street are run by democrats. All the people that control federal agencies are democrats. Democrats are in complete control of the government and Wall Street and the justice system and education. And all of the major news outlets and Hollywood studios. Left wing socialist millionaires and billionaires are completely controlling the system and getting rich off it. Stop defending democrats. Biden’s crack head whoremonger is on the board of 4 or 5 chinese, russian and ukrainian companies. He’s corrupt. The democrats are corrupt. The republicans are corrupt. Take away their money. They dont deserve it and they arent entitled to it. Workers are entitled to keep their own money, not give it to theives.

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So we're back to black pill.