Does Communism support free speech?

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[–]Canbot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

If I am wrong then please point out where I am wrong. I am so tired of leftists with nothing but insults and baseless claims insisting that they are right despite not being able to make a single coherent logical argument.

Where has communism worked outside of a small community? How many examples of communist takeovers of capitalist countries turning to absolute shit would it take to convince you that it is par for the course? How many perfect examples of the juxtaposed systems like north and south Korea, and east and west Germany do there have to be?

How is what you are doing not exactly like a moron who knows about the Nigerian price scam, yet still falls for it because the scammer told them "this time it's different, those other guy's weren't really Nigerian Princes, anyone who tells you this is a scam just doesn't want you to get rich"

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Oh okay, I'm gonna need some time to come up with a fact backed argument, I've really just been shit posting from my phone against the tsunami of conservatives here. Allow me some time to leave shit posting mode.

My first inclination of a response is to point to the massive covert ops campaigns that America has waged for decades across the western hemisphere in countless nations to purposefully overthrow democratically elected communistic/socialist leaders and replace them with de facto dictators or leaders that otherwise would be compliant to "free trade" with America. I'm not sure how many nations have failed of their own accord outside of this meddling but I'm sure they exist, just as extremely corrupt capitalist nations exist.

I know the common examples to point out are Stalin, China, and other eastern European countries that have committed atrocities while being communistic, but I'll be honest in that I don't know enough of the actual history to form a solid opinion there. My inclination is that they fell to massive widespread corruption that isn't entirely the fault of a communist structure.

My own feelings that forms my idealogical foundation is that a better world is possible, and capitalism is not even close to the ideal one with how its slowly destroying the world and workers lives. I believe that America experienced a wealth boon that "made it great" only because we survived world war 2 without massive infrastructure decimation, and from our role as the "great creditor" to other nations that essentially allowed us to get everyone else's gold. Because of that I don't believe capitalism holds any especially inherent properties that would allow it to prosper more than other government structures.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

My own feelings that forms my idealogical foundation is that a better world is possible,

No matter how good you have it that will always be the case. But you have to have some humility and realize that maybe you aren't smarter then everyone else in the world and you don't magically have the perfect system all figured out. It could be better, and it could also be so much worse. Before you go meddling with entire countries, millions of lives you need to PROVE YOUR SYSTEM IS BETTER, not assume it is better because you don't like the current one. And certainly not claim it is better just because it comes from the heart, and you are a good person and don't want it to be bad.

Why is it that the only socialist in politics who actually joined a commune is a guy who was literally kicked out of it for being too lazy? Because none of them believe in the system, they only use the promises of the system to corral the sheep and get votes. Supporting those people is stupid on two levels, not only are the promises known to be bullshit, but the people making them are known to be corrupt pieces of shit.

The foundation to work towards a better system from is capitalism because under capitalism you can have communes, cooperatives and worker owned factories. You can prove them on that scale and THEN advocate for a change in government starting with LOCAL government. Under the other forms of government you LOSE THE FREEDOM TO DO ANYTHING ELSE. You are with the party, or you are dead. It is stupid to force everyone into that hoping it will be better, especially in one of the countries with the highest quality of life FOR EVERYONE INCLUDING THE POOR.

TL;DR If you skipped all that at least understand this: If you have a system where the amount of work or the quality you put in does not effect your wealth everyone will put in the least amount of work. This is the fatal flaw of all redistributive systems. Without social pressures, which can not exist in groups of over 100, there is nothing that can ever overcome the incentive to do as little as possible. This is what causes poverty, not outside meddling in these systems.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Jesus dude you're coming off like you are frothing at the mouth, might wanna chill on the personal attacks if we're moving over to an actual discussion, or did I really get to you?

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

It is not a personal attack to say doing a particular thing is stupid. Its unfortunate that you can't handle criticism. Although it is a sign that you know I'm right, and at least that is a tiny step in the right direction.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Na

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

If you honestly believe you have a sound reply without personal attacks, then nevermind. You're never gonna convince people by jumping down their throats like this

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You have zero rebuttal? Sad.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

God the conservative brand of arguing is infuriating, you guys must all be on the verge of killing each other irl

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Why are you emotional? Oh, because as you said yourself you're not arguing with facts you're arguing with feelings.

feelings that forms my idealogical foundation

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes I was upfront and stated that as an opener to my stance before you and him decided to shit all over me and yourselves