What Must We Do Pre-Collapse?

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[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

There used to be thirteen colonies and they probably asked the same questions about a One Continent Government.

"Will the Federal government be operated fairly or with excess and abuse?" Is probably definitely something they worried about in the 1700s

In that case, they applied their brainpower to the problem, and even though their solution was deficient and needed a civil war to partially optimise, they found a good pattern

Some with any One World Government IMO

We're capable of figuring it out

Edit - I mean, basically we already have 10% of a world government anyway. If you think about what tasks a world government would actually be constituted to do - we already have a World Postal Union, an international bank of settlements, a world heath organisation, world bank, etc etc.

These bodies have a existed since world war 2, and they're basically doing part of the tasks we'd constitute a world government to perform.

And it's fine. God didn't smite us. There's no tower of Babel. Just normal humans doing normal society things like setting regional development goals and tarrifs and striking mutual service agreements and so on

[–]UbiquitousCultOfSelf 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (30 children)

There's a global post office? Hm, did not know. TIL

Sure, all of the other things sound fine, and I emphasize "sound": tariffs, world bank of settlements, great.
But the world bank? People on here would argue that the world economic summit/monetary fund are inherently bent of making the 99% serve the less than 1%, and employ government shakeups, coups, destabilizations.

They, and possibly I, would find your stance of "together we can!" when we pool our global resources and natural penchant for good and progress slightly naïve. It's not to say there aren't good ideals there, but at what cost do we say, "If you don't toe the line..."?
And this, I will admit, is a rare exception but what about the pygmies and the head hunters and the cannibals out there? Just as in the US there is an uproar over what place the Electoral College has and what weight to give less populated states vs more populated, additionally most of the "civilized world" would not choose to rub shoulders with cannibals. But to them, it's their way of life.

Could there be some things that might be unsurmountable? You wrote the cival war was a 'tweak' (my words) or a "partial optimization", then in lieu of that, skirmishes and wars are just a step forward to better optimization?
I don't mean to strawman your argument, so if you feel that's unfair characterization--it's not my intention, feel free to clarify the subtleties.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

If tribal people's live fine today, with Rwanda or Papau New Guinea being members of the WHO, WTO, IBS, IPU, all the other supranational organisations ..... Why would formalising a global government out of all those acronym entities be hampered by the existence of tribal peoples.

They would presumably have all the same national legal protections as they receive today - but if we're going to talk law then we need to define what we mean by "one world government"

In America today there's the concept of the tenth amendment. The federal government only has the exact powers and areas of responsibility that are on an itemised list. If some function of governance is not on the list - then it's the domain of state governments instead of federal.

That's basically exactly where we live today in terms of "one world government". We have defined the functions of the world government and everything else is the domain of national level.

Just look at this list

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_specialized_agencies_of_the_United_Nations

Everything there is super frickin useful. Civil aviation. Telecoms. The mail!

We basically live in the world of benevolent global government, today, and we don't even realise it

[–]UbiquitousCultOfSelf 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (28 children)

Again, good points.
I want to raise this question, or ask precisely two rhetorical questions, not at all to insult your intelligence but rather, because I think you may arrive at a similar conclusion as I am inclined to (arrive at).

When we increase government, do we increase efficiency, or will we have gross oversights in expenditure multiplied exponentially?

And the second question is, since the past model of the UN and global governance has been Weak nations are given exceptions (as in the United States and other "colonizer" nations like England, etc have "raped and pillaged the planet" much to Captain Planet's chagrin) because things like global carbon taxes are either a good thing, or a thing that 1st world nations were given a pass on but 3rd world nations won't be therefore 1st world nations will have to foot the bill. So, all the industrialized nations have poured into the UN (with the US vastly outpacing most other 'civilized' nations) and the poorer nations have cha-ching collected just as is happening still, but with a leveling of the playing field and a destabilization of America and the west, and instituting a "guaranteed universal income" wouldn't the power dynamic shift?

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

Sorry did you just ask me that ....If the current powers were destabilised and there was a dispersal of universal power to all the humans - then would the power dynamic shift? Yeah of course it would, when you set the question up like that

[–]UbiquitousCultOfSelf 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (26 children)

Guess what I put was longwinded.
What I was working at:
If the nature of the UN changes from a governmental support agency with recommendations and committees that can now be ignored
to an actual government with requirements on individual citizens and enforceable via the typical "carrot and stick" methods (the carrot being universal guaranteed income, and the stick being lockdowns on travel, internet use, "luxury" item sales)
do you think the power dynamic then will shift?

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

Take the shit out your mouth and try again

I think this is a white fragility thing? You're asking, what will happen to all the poor white people if they have to live in a world with other people?

I think that's what you're saying, once we strip the junk

But I don't want to put words in your mouth. Are you asking me how your white fragility will be protected if there's a world government?

[–]UbiquitousCultOfSelf 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (24 children)

Nah, skillet, we done.
I'm polite to people who are polite,
one's that are not? Can f' right off.
I get why you get hate on this site, sox is it? You're a dipshit. I can't help if you have sub-par reading comprehension.
You eat all the fecal matter you want, count me out amigo.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

No, Jesus was right. Do good to those who do good to you and those who do bad to you.

[–]UbiquitousCultOfSelf 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

Of course, He was always right.
But He also threw out the money changers.
He also stated, "You brood of vipers" "You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness."
Said He came to bring the sword, not peace.
Stated that "unless you repent, you will likewise perish"
And told His talmidim to not cast pearls to swine, and that if any town did not receive Him, to shake off the dust as witness against them on the day of judgment.

But yes, peace and love are good.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

What? Dude you kept pestering me with this totally off topic question which you refuse to spell out, just giving me waffly paragraphs

Read this whole rhead again. My comprehension is just fine, thanks, perhaps it's you who should review what a tard you have revealed yourself to be..

"do you think the power dynamic then will shift?"

What the fuck are you talking about? I asked you clarifying questions and this is all you can say to account for yourself.

Hence I am pretty sure this is a white fragility thing. Yeah douchebag, if you have to share a UN with brown people and "pygmies and cannibals" (or whatever other Victorian nonsense words you want to call people) then I HOPE you have diluted power dynamics because you're a dipshit

[–]UbiquitousCultOfSelf 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

What? Dude you kept pestering me with this totally off topic question which you refuse to spell out, just giving me waffly paragraphs

Read this whole rhead again. My comprehension is just fine, thanks, perhaps it's you who should review what a tard you have revealed yourself to be..

"do you think the power dynamic then will shift?"

What the fuck are you talking about? I asked you clarifying questions and this is all you can say to account for yourself.

Hence I am pretty sure this is a white fragility thing. Yeah douchebag, if you have to share a UN with brown people and "pygmies and cannibals" (or whatever other Victorian nonsense words you want to call people) then I HOPE you have diluted power dynamics because you're a dipshit

lol. You have me laughing bigtime here, twinkletoes.
You're like straight out of a babylon bee parody with your "Victorian nonsense words"
Charming, simply charming. Douchebag coming from the queen of monostat 7. Bro, your dipshitedness will hopefully clear up in a few years. Get some life.

In the meantime, my point since you're too thickheaded to ascertain, but heavy on the ass, was that a one world government will have requirements. Derp.