Why your beliefs about the holocaust is a lose lose situation.

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[–]oligarchracy 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

"The Holocaust" happened in that large numbers of Jews died during WW2. Not nearly as many as Germans, Russians, Japanese, and Chinese, but surely many died, including by what amounted to flat out murder.

What I would also say though is that we also know for certain a lot of the primarily Jewish claims regarding this event that were accepted on good faith turned out to be lies and exaggerations That is proven fact. For instance it wasn't anywhere near 4.5 million killed at Auschwitz. That is proven fact. Other wild ass claims I was raised to believe turned out to be largely bs as well.

So the issue becomes this. When you lie continually, and when people catch you lying continually, people tend not to believe you. It's a classic case of the boy who cried wolf. If you've been caught lying repeatedly, any intellectually honest person would then have to take a second look at some of your other claims to ensure they weren't lies too, except with "The Holocaust" no one is allowed to do that, because if you do you're a nazi, a bigot, etc. We are expected to believe everything you claimed without any further examination, essentially forever.

Now I could find 10 examples of shit Jews are lying about just by reading a daily news feed. I could just google the word Ukraine and find dozens of shit Jews are blatantly lying about right now. So watching them lie continually in real time, why the fuck would I just take their word for it about shit that happened 90 years ago that we already know they have been caught lying about, and which they have relentlessly used to guilt trip, enrich themselves, wage destructive murderous wars, and advance various agendas?

[–]jacques1102[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So you're admitting people died but it wasn't 6 million, but the other day i saw someone claim it was a hoax and the only people who died was the allies fault.Which is it?If were doing the lying game, what about the people lying about the 100 million communist deaths?Mao killed 64 million people in less time than the holocaust and there's no photo evidence of the bodies.Ask yourself how did mao hid 64 million bodies?But you wont claim american Christians are liars.Lastly, as far as Ukraine goes what lies?The war is happening in Ukraine and i thought putin was a jewish puppet as well?So are you trusting jewish controlled putin?

[–]oligarchracy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So you're admitting people died but it wasn't 6 million, but the other day i saw someone claim it was a hoax and the only people who died was the allies fault.Which is it?

I admit that I don't know for sure exactly what happened and precisely how many were killed and how they died. I'm honest about it. I certainly find it plausible that the Nazis intentionally killed large numbers of Jews and/or let them die, and every person who killed captive people should have been held responsible, as did happen in the case of the Germans. I have reasonable suspicions about the 6 million number though. I think that was most likely a propaganda number they arrived at and they have simply stuck to it because to do otherwise is to raise even more questions about the honesty and accuracy of many of the claims.

Lastly, as far as Ukraine goes what lies?The war is happening in Ukraine and i thought putin was a jewish puppet as well?So are you trusting jewish controlled putin?

Jesus christ if I were to list all the lies, exagerations and misinformation I would be here all day. Ghost of Kiev ring a bell? What about snake Island, what about the nuclear power plant we were continually told the Russians were shelling but turned out to be the Ukrainians, nordstream 2? Etc etc.

If you want to continue to play stupid about Ukraine then how about the Iraq war? We KNOW Jewish neocons(who are back at it again in Ukraine) lied repeatedly about that war. Are you denying that? Who was held accountable for the hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths that war and the others the neocons caused in the middle east? Name one Jew tried for war crimes related to any of that. Meanwhile were busy hunting down some 97 year old German woman because she was a teenage secretary at a Nazi camp 80 plus years ago.

[–]jacques1102[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                                                                                                                         Least you're honest about not knowing the numbers.As for your claim about the Ukraine war,i never said there weren't a few lies, but putin was the one who declared war,he's the one saying"We need to fight the nazis"(which i thought since people here supported them that it should raise eyebrows.)he also has been shown supporting jews and like i said since jews are liars why trust putin when he too is controlled by jews?

[–]oligarchracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Putin invaded Ukraine after nearly 10 years of ethnic cleansing in eastern Ukraine that killed 14,000 people following the Victoria Nuland/cia coup in 2014. During that same time the newly installed Jewish led Ukrainian regime was systematically armed to the teeth by the US. By 2022 Ukraine had one of the largest armies in the world. Once Zelensky was installed as president he repeatedly and needlessly crossed every well known red line Russia had set out in explicit language, culminating in his rhetoric about going nuclear and launching a nuclear first strike against Russia, that not coincidentally happened a week before the invasion. Zelensky is a dimwit but there's no reason he would have said that if he wasnt intentionally trying to cause an invasion as his neocon handlers hoped.

Russia initially went in light because they thought they had enough contacts with people friendly in Ukraine to simply topple or contain the zelensky regime without much bloodshed, but it was a trap. US/Zelensky regime intel had already comprised lists of Ukrainians to round up and imprison/execute in the event of the invasion and the Zelensky regime put it into action the moment the Russians invaded and decimated pro Russian elements in the country and quickly made it clear to the populace that they would tow the nato line or face his paramilitary thugs. There was an epidemic of videos of allegedly pro Russian ukrainians or simply Ukrainians that werent anti Russian enough being, beaten, tied up and duct taped naked to poles while they were mocked, which propaganda outlets like reddit heavily promoted at the time.

It has already been explained to you many times that Putin isnt completely controlled by Jews, which is why they want him gone. He is a pragmatist who understood Jewish power and was willing to deal with the devil when necessary, but he is careful never to be openly antagonistic to Jewish power while still doing what he could to limit it, and is well aware that the last few generations of Russians have been heavily inundated with anti Nazi propaganda and ww2 myths from the cradle to grave and such rhetoric still has power. Is Putin based and red pilled? No, he's a boomer who grew up with the same propaganda all Russians were, but he has also seen the grimey underbelly of international Jewish power in the looting of post Soviet Russia and it's clear he was not a fan and simply bided his time until he was powerful enough to do anything about it.