How They Plan to Shut Us Up.

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[–]DragonerneJesus is white 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

He gets everything he knows from the first page of google

[–]milkmender11 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

darn I already picked the other guy but if he declines you can have his timeslot

how you think those views would show up on google at all, I have no idea. I think you read half the comment, saw me paraphrase a media talking point, and assumed that it was my own point because you're more concerned with protecting your unexamined but comforting views than considering other perspectives. Classic alt right

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well, for one the alt right was formed out of Pol commentary/memes and thinkers like Spencer and Greg Johnson and others from the Charles Martel Society during the late oughts to early 2010s and began growing rapidly as a response to Obama/Trayvon/and the racial riots in 2015. It reached its culmination in 2017 during Charlottesville, where many of its websites were deplatformed from funding or taken down/banned from all major social media in the aftermath. The movement also fell apart due to infighting. The establishment worked with antifa and local police to shut down the Charlottesville rally. We know this for a fact because of the third party conducted Heaphy Report which detailed the actions of state and local law enforcement and government during the event. The system purposefully created a situation which would lead to violence in turn giving them the pretense to begin mass censorship of the movement. What evidence do you have that the alt right was created by the system?

Anyway, we don't really even refer to ourselves as alt right anymore. We've coalesced into basically a racialist third positionist/syncretic/anti Semitic movement.

So, what you're criticizing as the alt right doesn't even really exist anymore. The name of the subsaidit its just an historical name and doesn't really mean anything.

The rest of the "points" you made are just standard fare anti-White rhetoric that reads like you got it straight off of AngryWhiteMen or Salon or a Jew columnist at the NYT.

[–]milkmender11 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just because you can point to some influences which you happen to prefer as the supposed progenitors pf thr alt right (Pol, Spencer, Johnson) does not mean that the establishment did not actively promote the alt right through mainstream media exposure and, more directly, FBI plants. I wasn't saying they invented the alt right wholesale, but that they correctly identified a harmless movement with no capacity for strong growth and subsequently turned it into a modern bogeyman to suit their own political ends. You assumed that just because Pol had something to do with the alt right at some point, that the establishment had nothing to do with it. You then go on to elaborate on your misinterpretation as if describing various snapshots of alt right history is relevant to the discussion rather than the result of your own error.

The movement didn't fall apart to infighting any more than it did to lack of initial cohesion, lack of a coherent narrative, lack of a common theme. When your movement is itself inflated by hostile media reporting, of course it doesn't have the organic cohesion that produces stable ideaologies. "Because infighting" is like me saying the moon is in orbit because it's big. Well, there's a lot more to it than that.

The Heaphy Report only proves my point. Establishment maneuvering to knock town the tower that their efforts cultivated. This is how propaganda works. You don't create a bogeyman and let it run rampant, you create it and manage it. You want to see the alt right as a shining example of the power of grassroots white racial unity, but it wasn't. You were useful idiots all along. You believe the government has a hand in everything EXCEPT this! Tell me, do you think the government does anything contrived and underhanded in other arenas? Oh, you do? But not here, despite the massive media attention paid to the alt right even when it was barelt a flicker?

Your points are just tired recapitulations of known alt right fallacies, though. Whiteness does not even cohere as a race to begin with. Happy to have the debate with you but I've gotten tired of knocking down the same unscientific arguments from white nationalists, I'll do it again for you though.