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[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Destiny and Vaush don't really argue. They gish gallop and they pilpul and certain points they just refuse to discuss. They don't really 'win'. The best they ever do is force a stalemate by blocking the ability of the dissident opponent to find commonly agreed upon facts and then build those facts into truth. Destiny and Vaush know when a fact is inconvenient for them and they make the debate about reality itself as a stall tactic. They do not argue in good faith and nobody should debate them.

edit. and I agree with your take about Sean Last being one of our brightest. Makes me wonder how many more Sean Last's are out there but afraid to get involved or don't know how too.

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They do this, but I disagree that this represents all or even most of what they do. It's not like there's no substance to the responses they give to some of our positions. I don't think it serves us well to deny the success they've had. You watch them against Sean Last or JF and they're stumped. But it seems to indicate a weakness on our end that our B level guys are looking "pretty bad" or worse against them.

Although interestingly, some people kind of speculate (like in the comments section of the first video I linked) that deep down, Destiny knows race realism is true. He's also, in a measured sort of way, drifted slowly to the right on a select number of issues. He's still a creep, but maybe Destiny actually has some sense.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To be honest I haven't watched a Destiny or Vaush debate in the last year or so. If they are coming around on any dissident issues I haven't seen it.