Is this study accurate?

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[–]WaltzRoommate 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Probably not.

That study was taken on US military members. To get into the military, you need to take an ASVAB, which is basically an IQ test. Today you need to beat one out of three test takers to be allowed to enlist. Idk what the standard was back then, but it says in your wiki article that 3% of whites failed and 30% of blacks failed. Taken in context, this means that the mix between a white women and black person in the top 70% will have a higher IQ than a white woman and a randomly selected black. This should be very very very obvious.

[–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

From the study:

Of the fathers of the mixed-race children, about 80 percent were French Africans and the remaining approximately 20 percent were African Americans.

Was France using IQ testing and if so what was the minimum to get into the military in WW2? Seems unlikely they even had one at this time, or if they did it was even lower than the US. The minimum for the US was 85 during this time.

[–]WaltzRoommate 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Rushton's paragraph seems to imply that to me.

Also this wasn't brought up, but passing basic training is also going to be a proxy for IQ. The US today believes that only the top 2/3s of applicants are smart enough to be trained for the military. That doesn't mean that if they just removed that requirement, everyone would be smart enough to pass. It means that according to the US military, the bottom third would fail basic training and it's just easier and cheaper to make them fail in the testing room before their first day than it is to have them drop. The bottom third would fall out with or without the ASVAB.

That being said, Rushton seems to me to be saying that they did.

[–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

France has a universal military conscription as a condition of citizenship though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_France

What about Jensen suggesting heterosis played a part in enhancing the mulatto IQ? Do you feel he's completely wrong and it did not enhance it at all or that it's fairly insignificant and added at best around 1-2 points on average?

[–]WaltzRoommate 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

France has a universal military conscription as a condition of citizenship though.

Conscription doesn't mean you automatically pass basic training.

What about Jensen suggesting heterosis played a part in enhancing the mulatto IQ? Do you feel he's completely wrong and it did not enhance it at all or that it's fairly insignificant and added at best around 1-2 points on average?

There's not a whole lot of evidence for heterosis and there's a competing hypothesis that it makes offspring worse. Ryan Faulk made a video going over it.

If I were to speculate, I'd speculate that the reason it seems plausible to people is due to assorted mating. If you're a black man with a white woman, you're probably the top tier of black men and so your children are going to test better than they would if you just average the two groups together.

[–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ryan Faulk made a video going over it.

I believe you already sent me it on Reddit.

If you're a black man with a white woman, you're probably the top tier of black men and so your children are going to test better than they would if you just average the two groups together.

This is probably negated by the fact that the average black also only gets among the lowest quality white women.

[–]WaltzRoommate 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is probably negated by the fact that the average black also only gets among the lowest quality white women.

Honestly, it's probably not, at least not fully so. Very few white women sink below the level of black women. I'm not saying those kids will be 100 IQ on average, but their kids will probably be higher than what you'd expect just from averaging the two populations together.

[–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Conscription doesn't mean you automatically pass basic training.

People can essentially play dumb and get out of the mandatory conscription then? Does it actually work like that in France?

[–]WaltzRoommate 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not an expert on France, but I know it works like that in the US because certain famous individuals got out of the draft for being incompetent before those individuals were famous. Both Jerry Garcia and Jimi Hendrix were drafted but let out due to failure to adapt. America was a more patriotic place in the 1960s and while what gets passed down through the ages is draft card burning hippie protests, most people probably just do what the government says and take pride in it.