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    [–]VarangianRasputin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

    Neither Stalinism nor any other type of communism saved Eastern Europe. Eastern Europe was doing fine without it.

    Eastern Europe was a backward agrarian society under incompetent rulers who were more interested in personal gain than the nation. I don't believe anybody could say that Tsarist Russia was better than the Soviet Union.

    Saving would be, preventing liberal influence without destroying us or our culture by other means.

    He did, actually. He kept the east out of the UN, because he saw it for what it was, a Liberal Hegemony. That's partially why he set up Comecon and Cominform, as well as the Warsaw Pact. He understand that a bulwark needed to create a balance of power in Europe.

    Even East Germany, despite the reparations, were allowed to remain nationalist, and weren't constantly being told how evil they were (at least, in comparison to the West). They even were allowed to deny any complicity in the holohoax, so they weren't brow-beaten with that bullshit.

    spreading feminism

    Traditional family values were promoted in the east though. Letting women have industrial jobs isn't feminism. And they let some women fight in a huge conflict, they had the numerical advantage, what better way to keep it, than starting up like 2 airwings and giving some Rifles in Stalingrad. Plus, a good deal of the men were dead. Somebody had to do the work in post-war Europe. That solution was certainly preferable to what the UK did (The WindRush Plan).

    bringing in third world migrants

    When? And even if he brought in some, those countries remained majority Slavic/German/Magyar respectively.

    he still destroyed a bunch of cathedrals and other elements of Slavic heritage

    That's undeniable, however, he preserved many other parts of Slavic heritage, such as music, art, etc. His writings and speeches (and those of his government) are filled to the brim with mentions of "The great Russian people", "Our Great Land", etc. It's clear that he understood the Slavic people are one with a unique identity and destiny. In his position I would have promoted a form of Liberation Theology.

    I'm not saying I agree with Stalin 100%, but I believe, by and large, the good outweighed the bad. His legacy, or rather the power of it, is much better. I am a NatCom (or NazBol, or whatever floats your boat, I prefer NatCom, and no I'm not a Marxist), so I do have a bias.

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      How many did he kill? 60 million during his ... comraderie or whatever? To say that something is worth 60 million deaths, or that the USSR was better off after killing 60 million than staying under a tzar requires a lot of strong backing. It's a tall order, justifying such statements.

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        More or less, I was replying to both of you, who seem to gloss over Stalin's impressive record for one of the highest body counts in all of history.

        "He did some good things" "He did many bad things" - WHAT ABOUT 60 MILLION DEAD? Doesn't that trump anything ELSE?

        [–]VarangianRasputin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

        Tsarist Russia had great cultural achievements like musical composers (like Tchaikovsky) and authors like Dostoevsky.

        The Soviet Union also had it's share of cultural achievements.

        I agree, the peasentry was living under feudalism, but was it worse then communism? Economically? Might be, culturally? Probably not. In feudal times you could visit your local church and other places of national heritage, in communist times often not.

        The USSR was undergoing rapid economic change (National Collectivization, Industrialization etc), so it required workers to be consistently active to keep the entire economy from collapsing altogether. This was more than likely the result of Marxist dogmatism, as Marx said that a country had to be heavily industrialized before a revolution could happen and Socialism established. Of course that's weird gate-keeping, but on the bright side, Stalin holds the record for fastest industrialization. Unfortunately this rapid economic change, done without care as a task such as that should receive, alongside plain old bad-weather, is what caused the Ukrainian famine.

        No, the Soviet Union is one of the founding members of the UN (the Anti-German alliance of WW2).

        Could I'm mistaking it for NATO then. Either way, Stalin dropped out of it after the war for the above reasons.

        What about abortions, education, etc? Not exactly promotion of stable families. Yes, parts of this was introduced after Stalins death, but definitely in communist times. Chidren were taught in school to spy on their own parents, etc.

        To be clear, the USSR is not my form of an ideal state. I'm just pointing some good aspects. In the Far East (Vietnam, China, Korea), Communism was used for far more national, conservative reasons.

        Yes, because it collapsed in 1989. Last week I checked the numbers for Eastern Germany. They had, like the West, falling birth rates since the early 70s, while more and more foreigners entered the country. Literally replacement migration.

        I never knew that actually.

        Sure, he was more patriotic than our liberal elites. Still we should not forget that patriotism only became "allowed" during WW2 to strenghten the moral against the Germans and after the war against the West.

        Nationalism is Nationalism. Plus, Stalin and Co were saying stuff like that in the 20s and early 30s before he went to war.

        Where can I learn more about this?

        Like, National Bolshevism type stuff? That's basically what I want, I just prefer the term National Communism (this term was used by the Romanian government) because I feel the term "National Bolshevism has little meaning anywhere west of Germany (the term was used widely in German and Russian Nationalist circles that embraced Socialism).

        For resources, there is ARplan, which collects articles from Nationalist and/or Socialist thinkers.

        Then of course there is The Other Russia's Website, the main National Bolshevik party in Russia (if you don't count the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, which some do). You'll need a translator for this one though.

        Gaddafi is considered NazBol by most (including myself), so you might want to check out his 'Green Book'.

        You might have heard of Alexander Dugin? He doesn't have as big as a place in the movement as you'd expect. The only idea he has that is widely embraced is 'The Fourth Political Theory', which posits that we should scan Liberalism, Marxism and Fascism, (1st, 2nd, 3rd theories respectively) and create a 4th one. We see National Communism/Bolshevism as a starting point. Neo-Eurasianist 'Philosophy' is also widely embraced by Russian NazBols.

        Do you believe most Soviet leaders were good or only Stalin?

        Stalin, and maybe Yeltsin. But to be honest, they've got nothing on guys like Ho Chi Minh and Kim-Il Sung, who used Marxism as a tool to free their people from control by foreign powers. In Korea, White Defectors from the Korean War were not allowed to marry or be with Korean women, and the Vietnamese revolution undeniably had an Ethno-Nationalist character.

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          [–]VarangianRasputin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          How important was US involvement (General Electrics, etc.) in industrializing the Soviet Union?

          Honestly, I couldn't tell you. You could make a sock-account on reddit and ask some of the guys on r/communism101, keeping in mind they're full-on internationalists.

          Is Dugins Eurasianism similar to the Eurosiberia idea of French New Right thinkers like Faye or is it something totally different?

          Never heard of Eurosiberia, but Dugin specifically advocates Neo-Eurasianism, which posits that Russia and Eurasia are interchangeable terms, and a Eurasian Union should be formed "from Vladivostok to Lisbon". The idea being creating a counterbalance between them and 'Atlanticism', which basically just means American Liberal Hegemony, basically, an explicitly Nationalist Warsaw Pact. I'm not huge on the idea personally.

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            [–]VarangianRasputin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            Eurasia goes even further south, encompassing China, Vietnam, etc. I'm fine interacting with those nations, but a Economic and Military Union is a bit far for my taste.