Holocaust denial makes no sense.

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[–]TheMaharishi 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

One time I saw a list of estimated numbers of how many Jews died in the "holocaust". There were like 25 different. Number one 6 million, number two 2 million, number three 1 million. Then it fell off even harder. Lowest estimate was about 20k.

Isn't it weird that the highest estimate ever made by a historian. Has become the undeniable truth. When the average estimate is maybe 100-50K.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The 6 million figure includes Jewish soldiers killed in the various armies and those killed in other counties by their own fascist movements while under German occupation, that's why there's a variation in figures.

There weren't many Jews in Germany so if you only count them you get the lower figures. Most Jews killed were from Eastern Europe.

The Germans starved to death 3 million Russian POWs in camps before they sent Jews to the same place (something which never gets denied for some reason even though it's also a huge number of dead bodies to process). The estimated number of Jewish people in the Russian POWs murdered is added to the holocaust figures.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The 6 million figure includes Jewish soldiers killed in the various armies and those killed in other counties by their own fascist movements while under German occupation

No it doesn't. The figure of six million is for deaths in the concentration camps and summary executions and murders of civilians, excluding partisans and soldiers, and not including civilian collateral damage.

There is also something like an additional million Jews killed by the Croatian and Romanian fascist governments, independently of the Nazi Holocaust. They're not usually included in the figure of 6 million.

There weren't many Jews in Germany so if you only count them you get the lower figures. Most Jews killed were from Eastern Europe.

That is correct. By 1939 or so, there were only about 300,000 Jews left in Germany. Most of the rest had already fled.

Most of the Holocaust victims were from eastern Europe, especially Poland and the USSR.

To the 6 million Jewish victims, you can add another 9-11 million Poles, Russians, Slavs, gypsies and others.

  • There were almost 6 million Russian and other Soviet Union civilians killed (plus about 1.3 million Soviet Jews counted in the 6 million Jewish victims).
  • Plus about 3 million or so Soviet POWs.
  • Plus about 2-3 million non-Jewish Poles.
  • About half a million Serbs.
  • Perhaps the same again for Gypsies (Roma and Sinti).
  • A quarter of a million disabled and mentally ill people.
  • And maybe another hundred thousand or so of various other groups.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

One time I saw a list of estimated numbers of how many Jews died in the "holocaust". There were like 25 different.

Oh, you saw a list did you? A list, who knows where, compiled by fuck knows who, from what sources?

Lowest estimate was about 20k.

Any dickhead can "estimate" a number of deaths. The important question is, how did they get that number? Why should we take it seriously?

In that 20K case, the number was pulled out of his arse-hole. We know the names of far more than twenty thousand Jewish victims, people who have been identified. The Allies found more than twenty thousand unburied corpses when they liberated the camps. More than twenty thousand victims died of disease after the Allies liberated the camps. (People dying of starvation and disease don't magically get better instantly just because the camp is liberated.)

Isn't it weird that the highest estimate ever made by a historian

It would be weird, if it were true but it isn't.

Six million is the consensus estimate, not the highest. That means that dozens of historians have independently come up with similar figures around the six million mark, and the consensus between them is that six million or so is around about the right number.

Earlier estimates went up to nine million jews, but that was too high as it accepted Polish government figures of 4 million Jews dead at Auschwitz alone. Even at the time that number seemed too high, most historians disagreed, and today there is almost universal agreement that the correct figure is about 1 million, not 4, at Auschwitz.

the average estimate is maybe 100-50K.

Not even close.