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[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Welcome to Saidit, this isn't an edgy post here. It's not a particular interest of mine, although while attempting to refute a comment in s/debatealtright that evidence did not exist to support the Holocaust... I could not find any irrefutable proof besides assurances absolutely nobody could doubt what happened.

Personally I'd call this myth busted, or I would, except you get crucified for saying that.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

  1. The Haavara Agreement, the plan from the National Socialists and Zionist Jews to send the Jews to Palestine. There were several other attempts by the National Socialists to deport the Jews from Germany over time, but nobody wanted the Jews in their countries.

  2. The Germans used the terms "Extermination", "Final Solution/Endlösung" very often when it came to dealing with the Jews, but they always talked about deportation plans.

  3. According to the World Almanac The Jewish population before, during and after the war barely changed and even increased at first.

  4. Despite cracking The Enigma Code, the British forces found no record of killings by gassing, the supposed main method use for the genocide.

  5. Fred A. Leuchter, expert in execution hardware said in his report that the alleged killing rooms could not have been used as homicidal gas chambers.

  6. Elie Wiesel, probably the most famous “Holocaust Survivor” makes no mention of gas chambers in his book “Night.”

  7. The International Red Cross report of 1948 found no indication of an extermination plan, despite the claim that it supposedly said the Germans cunningly hided that some facilities were gas chambers.

  8. The testimonies from "Holocaust survivors" that tell the truth about the conditions of the camps. The Jews had access to swimming pools for exercise, theathers, whore houses and participated in soccer games.

  9. The true maximum cremation capacity at Auschwitz-Birkenau is far lower than what we are always told.

  10. Himmler's order on Dec. 28, 1942 to reduce the death rate in the camps as a priority.

  11. The SS report of 1943 about the decline of the mortality rate to the Reichsführer.

  12. The British foreign secretary statement about not being willing to take the Jews in their country in 1943.

  13. Himmler's deportation proposal of 1944 in exchange for goods.

  14. Elie Wiesel claimed in his book “Night” that he chose to purposely stay with the Germans when the Soviets came and that he was having a sore leg treated in the hospital at the camp, which wouldn’t make any sense considering it was at the very end of the war when the mass killings supposedly reached their peak.

  15. George S. Patton claimed that the Germans were the only decent people left in Europe and all the Allies really managed to do was give room for the Soviets to take over everything, saying that the US had fought the wrong enemy.

  16. The Allied autopsies confirm that disease was the main cause of death.

  17. The Holocaust and the 6 million figure showing up in different places before WWII. Six million Jews supposedly died in WWI as well, but probably because of the absurdity of the claims, the stories were eventually dropped but the figure of the 6 million Jews being in terrible danger can be seen in different places before ending up in Germany again. It can also be related to a passage from the Tohra, which can be interpreted as “six” of them having to go missing in order for them to be purged from their sins, so they can go back to Israel.

David Cole on Holocaust Revisionism (2018)

Basically, the Germans never embraced the genocide agenda as part of their policies and yeah, the ridiculous conditions of the camps with whore houses and theathers lasted all the way until at least 1944, things changed for the worst when the Allies tried bombing Germany into the stone age. This doesn't mean that the Germans didn't kill any Jewish civilians for no reason, even if they didn't embrace the genocide part the persecutions that the Jews suffered was still legit, but I myself tend to lean towards the idea that the true kill count is really low when compared to the 6M figure. (My own is that It's between 0-10,000 non-justified civilian deaths)

But basically, figuring out the exact kill count isn't all that neccesary. Just presenting enough evidence to defend low enough figures and criticize the Jews for the exaggerationism of the crime is enough. With my own research, I find the idea of 100,000 kills to be way too much of an exaggeration. Even if we take that figure and double it or triple it, a lot of claims can be made about the exaggerationism of the crimes. I'm not saying such figures aren't horrible but rather, they objectively aren't the worst crime in history, or even within the war itself. So why do the Jews continue to receive so much benefits from their victim status?

Two things that can be made to pressure them is cutting off the income they receive as compensation from Germany and the US. There's no reason why revisionists should just take the figures I mentioned, I'm sure with more resources a more accurate estimate can be made, even the old low denialist figures could be true for all we know, and the Jews can continue to be pressured into losing more social and political power.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Without concrete evidence to prove one way or another, it should never be forbidden to question the unquestionable...There have been many terrible lies told by those who write history, but there have also been terrible atrocities committed. So it could go either way.

[–]fschmidt 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I'm glad you posted this in the retard sub where it belongs. Everything in this sub is retarded.

Not everyone on SaidIt is retarded and believes such nonsense. In my case, I have almost no relatives because of the Holocaust, so obviously it was real.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

In my case, I have almost no relatives because of the Holocaust, so obviously it was real.

Maybe they were collaborators and your family just pretended they were dead. How do you know, there's fuck all for evidence.

[–]portace 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

No one's denying there were deaths. The controversy is in the methods of operation and the 6 M figure.

And personal anecdotes don't mean shit. The government sends in a ton of astroturfs to promote personal fake stories.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's right. Even if we take for granted let's say, the 100,000-300,000 figures for the Holocaust, why don't other crimes like the Bolshevik revolution, in which Jewish groups were heavily involved in, mentioned more often? Why do the Jews get to receive so much benefits from the victim status instead of being painted as villains like the Germans or even white people have been for so long? And there's no reason why people should take even the 100,000 figure for granted, I find that to be way too much of an exaggeration.

[–]Evola 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's simple. Jews won WW2.

They've also in the meantime made peoples lives so petty and meaningless with materialism and dopamine addiction that the people as a whole are too exhausted, busy or distracted to naturally develop the skills to critically evaluate information that is received.

[–]HanssenBob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Circular reasoning.

[–]HanssenBob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I started to doubt in the 1980s, during a Jewish school group at the holocaust museum. An old man who said he survived the gas chambers was leading the tour group. I was a bit skeptical about the logistics, and I asked if he saw this with his own eyes. He didn't answer me, and I asked again, without result.

Later I did my own research over many years and found out the truth.

holocausthandbooks.com