Fauci warns of ‘worse variant’ that ‘could impact the vaccinated’ if Covid-19 is allowed to keep mutating in unvaxxed population

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[–]StillLessons 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

If you want universal vaccination, explain to us the current incidence numbers in the very parts of the world that already have universal vaccination (Israel, Gibraltar, Iceland provide good examples). We can see the results. Why the hurry to duplicate them here?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

If you want universal vaccination,

Did I say that? Is that possible?

explain to us

Who is "us"? Why should I explain anything?

the current incidence numbers in the very parts of the world that already have universal vaccination (Israel, Gibraltar, Iceland provide good examples).

What are incidence numbers? Why would you thinkn Israel has "universal vaccination" when they've refused to offer vaccines to Palestinians?

We can see the results.

What results?

Why the hurry to duplicate them here?

Did I duplicate anything?

I don't expect you to answer any of these questions, but I ask them in order to point out that it's not possible to understand and respond to your comments.

[–]StillLessons 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Fauci is arguing that when some unspecified magic number of vaccination occurs, "the virus will disappear." That's his quote, not mine. The concept he is talking about is universal vaccination. Although he would acknowledge that literal application is impossible, he is arguing that the closer to that goal the better.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/08/08/anthony-fauci-covid-vaccinate-mandate/5507400001/

If you don't agree with that argument, my use of "you" is withdrawn.

"Us"? Really? You're arguing about a convention that has been used in meetings for centuries, and moved online naturally to mean "those of us reading this forum"? Strange place to pick a fight? Why so sensitive about a super common convention.

If you don't understand the term "incidence" in the context of Covid, I find it very difficult to take seriously any argument you wish to make regarding what is at its foundation a debate about epidemiology. Look it up. That I even need to say this is actually quite scary to me, but shows a lot.

Results:

Iceland's data is the most accessible and easily absorbed:

https://www.covid.is/data

If Fauci wants to argue that "more vaccination" causes less incidence, the places we want to look at are places with very high vaccination penetration. That's Iceland. It's not working. Most interestingly, in a very highly vaccinated population, there appears to be no difference (roughly 50-50) between Covid cases in vaccinated versus those unvaccinated. You want to argue that this shows unvaccinated have a higher proportion? That doesn't work, because then the overall incidence should be steady or going down. It's going up. Once again, vaccination is having no effect on Covid. Full stop.

When I say "duplicate them", I am referring to our country duplicating the results of areas with highly vaccinated populations. The data above demonstrate that vaccination is not stopping Covid. There is a major spike currently active in the presence of a very thoroughly vaccinated population. Vaccination ≠ no covid.

Questions answered. I doubt I will have more to add for the time being than what I have put here.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you for the anwers. I asked the questions because any answer I would give to your comments would have potentially missed the points because they were relatively generalized. For example:

incidence numbers

If I search for:

COVID19 incidence numbers

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=COVID19+incidence+numbers&t=hx&va=g&ia=web

I still see no definition.

Whereas some skepticism is normal and indeed encouraged for new medical practices, what we should try to avoid is cynicism, which won't help anyone. I am not claiming that you and your comments are cynical, but that I often read skeptical arguments about COVID19 vaccines that seem more cynical than they are skeptical.

I appreciate that we can be skeptical of any vaccine, though the history of the uses of vaccines informs us that this offering of vaccines is quite normal for a virus outbreak. Think of polio, for example, which has been eradicated in most of the world, though the process took decades. There will however be other strains of COVID19, and other viruses, all of which will require a medical intervention.

Thanks again for the answers.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

People almost always answer your questions with legitimate answers. You stop responding after a while, and can't seem to be able to refute what they've said.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I don't know that "incidence numbers" are, in the context of that comment. Incidence of what?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

You have a brain, and a computer, don't you? How about you learn more about the world before talking about how we need to be locked up and vaccinated, or about how our only options concerning changing the system are through using the system. You just seem like a sixteen year old reddittor, OR A SHILL.

You can easily look up what "incidence numbers" are.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Don't lecture and insult me. What makes you so special, while taking the time to insult strangers on Saidit. Get your priorities in order or otherwise appear as though you just want to bully people, rather than contribute anything to a discussion. I noted that I had searched for 'incidence numbers COVID19' and didin't find anything. It's obviously important to be specific when making an argument; otherwise there is just rambling nonsense about COVID on Saidit.

[–]skeech 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Covid is a hoax and a scam and a political weapon that is pushed upon the innocent by FAGGOTS that want to control the politics of the world.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's what Republcans want you to believe, genius.

[–]skeech 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

FAGGOTS run everything at reddit.

you dont run nothing about me, homeboy.

nothing.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not really interested in making you feel better about anything. How hard did you look? How important do you think it is? Why does it matter so much to you what one person on this site thinks?

You are a shill, and if you don't like me calling you one, block me. You can go ahead and block most of the site, for that matter.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You give yourself way too much credit. (None of this matters.)

[–]monkey7 0 insightful - 1 fun0 insightful - 0 fun1 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

COVID IS A POLITICAL WEAPON.