Fauci warns of ‘worse variant’ that ‘could impact the vaccinated’ if Covid-19 is allowed to keep mutating in unvaxxed population

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[–]StillLessons 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Fauci is arguing that when some unspecified magic number of vaccination occurs, "the virus will disappear." That's his quote, not mine. The concept he is talking about is universal vaccination. Although he would acknowledge that literal application is impossible, he is arguing that the closer to that goal the better.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/08/08/anthony-fauci-covid-vaccinate-mandate/5507400001/

If you don't agree with that argument, my use of "you" is withdrawn.

"Us"? Really? You're arguing about a convention that has been used in meetings for centuries, and moved online naturally to mean "those of us reading this forum"? Strange place to pick a fight? Why so sensitive about a super common convention.

If you don't understand the term "incidence" in the context of Covid, I find it very difficult to take seriously any argument you wish to make regarding what is at its foundation a debate about epidemiology. Look it up. That I even need to say this is actually quite scary to me, but shows a lot.

Results:

Iceland's data is the most accessible and easily absorbed:

https://www.covid.is/data

If Fauci wants to argue that "more vaccination" causes less incidence, the places we want to look at are places with very high vaccination penetration. That's Iceland. It's not working. Most interestingly, in a very highly vaccinated population, there appears to be no difference (roughly 50-50) between Covid cases in vaccinated versus those unvaccinated. You want to argue that this shows unvaccinated have a higher proportion? That doesn't work, because then the overall incidence should be steady or going down. It's going up. Once again, vaccination is having no effect on Covid. Full stop.

When I say "duplicate them", I am referring to our country duplicating the results of areas with highly vaccinated populations. The data above demonstrate that vaccination is not stopping Covid. There is a major spike currently active in the presence of a very thoroughly vaccinated population. Vaccination ≠ no covid.

Questions answered. I doubt I will have more to add for the time being than what I have put here.

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Thank you for the anwers. I asked the questions because any answer I would give to your comments would have potentially missed the points because they were relatively generalized. For example:

incidence numbers

If I search for:

COVID19 incidence numbers

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=COVID19+incidence+numbers&t=hx&va=g&ia=web

I still see no definition.

Whereas some skepticism is normal and indeed encouraged for new medical practices, what we should try to avoid is cynicism, which won't help anyone. I am not claiming that you and your comments are cynical, but that I often read skeptical arguments about COVID19 vaccines that seem more cynical than they are skeptical.

I appreciate that we can be skeptical of any vaccine, though the history of the uses of vaccines informs us that this offering of vaccines is quite normal for a virus outbreak. Think of polio, for example, which has been eradicated in most of the world, though the process took decades. There will however be other strains of COVID19, and other viruses, all of which will require a medical intervention.

Thanks again for the answers.