The conspiracy theorist and the pile of money

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[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's a hivemind.

Not in the case of climate science. There's way too many independent fields from which it is studied.

Planetary science, geophysics, optics and thermodynamics, atmospheric physics and weather modelling, paleontology, ecology, phenology, oceanic physics and a lot of biology.

One of the most damning reveals from the climategate scandal was a participant who said of a journalist: "he'll know what to do without asking." And that's what it's about.

That doesn't read as remotely damning to me. But all the "scandals" that I heard about from "climategate" at the time needed to be taken way out of context to be considered a "scandal". Basically a few of the usual suspect trying to cause a storm in a teacup, with some success in the biosphere. But not if you looked at it.

What do you think is "damning" about that?

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Not in the case of climate science. There's way too many independent fields from which it is studied.

That's the way a hivemind works. People do what needs to be done without being told. Think of the Linux project, same thing.

That doesn't read as remotely damning to me.

It means they were conspiring to create a panic with the goal of large-scale left-wing social change. Remember Kilimanjaro was going to have no snow on it by 2015? 2007: act now, we only have 8 years to reverse climate change! Oops it's too late already. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2007/may/05/climatechange.climatechangeenvironment

If leftists really thought that man made climate change is the biggest existential threat to the world they would not be in favor of people from the lowest carbon per capita producing countries immigrating to the the highest carbon per capita producing countries. Why would anyone turn a low energy consuming person, and their future children, into high energy consuming ones? The future of the world is at stake!

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's the way a hivemind works. People do what needs to be done without being told. Think of the Linux project, same thing.

Okay.

1) What's your problem with Linux?

2) People working on the same project communicate. People studying in different fields in different languages and in different countries don't always.

It means they were conspiring to create a panic with the goal of large-scale left-wing social change.

No it doesn't. It means that they had a reporter who understood scientific press releases without having to be spoon fed.

Remember Kilimanjaro was going to have no snow on it by 2015?

No, I don't recall that.

Do you recall how the increasing CO2 was going to lead to an increase in global mean surface temperture.

It certainly seems to be panning out as predicted

Which is more key to global warming? The warming of the globe or the ice cover on a particular 0.0007% of the globe?

If leftists really thought that man made climate change is the biggest existential threat to the world they would not be in favor of people from the lowest carbon per capita producing countries immigrating to the the highest carbon per capita producing countries.

Wouldn't they merely be in favour of transitioning to sources of power that aren't fossil fuels?