The Talmud encourages Jews to commit all manner of criminal activity without fear of punishment, but the Jewish Encyclopedia states that the penalty for Gentiles who violate even one of the 7 Noahide Laws is death.

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

I thoroughly disagree with much of what you say. The ultimate goal of your life may be happiness, but it ain't mine. "It's all about them feel-goods, eh?" Don't project that waste onto me. I'm perfectly fine with life being up and down, good and bad, constantly changing between neutrals and extremes. I don't pursue happiness, and if you are, or if these trans people are, then it's no wonder that people like me are so against it all. It's no wonder that trans people tend to be very depressed and isolated, even if they are surrounded by bleeding hearts who accept their every whim. I'm not convinced its ethical to eat meat. I don't see how can you jump from "if you can eat it, you can fuck it." that's not logical. We haven't even agreed on whether or not its ok to kill an animal to eat it, so don't go jumping to its ok to fuck it. Morality and ethics can be super overlapped, and social perspectives heavily change the things that society thinks as "right" or "wrong". However, my argument, as is the argument of many philosophers, is that there is a base wisdom to morality and ethics, and every time a society moves away from this base wisdom in the name of "ethical progress", it destroys family units, long-standing communities, and proven-philosophies which will inevitably arise again in later generations to fight the new "norm". I don't support your moral relativism. It can be logically refuted, and, in fact, this discussion we are in right now is the same discussion philosophers have been debating for centuries, ever since Christianity started losing its place as top dog. If everyone in the world agreed that rape is good, people like you would say "yep, consensus is in, rape is good." I say that good = life-affirming and bad = life-negating. Those concepts are easy to understand, and can be used as lenses on all situations. Does rape produce states of being which are life-affirming for ALL parties, or life-negating for ANY parties? I think the answer is easy there, its life-negating. This way of perception includes relativity, because relativity can help with sympathetic understanding, but it doesn't treat relativity like the God's Tool so many modernists think it is.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I say that good = life-affirming and bad = life-negating.

This, cosmically speaking, is absolutely correct.

Also, "LIFE" needs to be recognized for what it is: much much more than biological activity inside cells. As such, any thought that doesn't appeal to the divine in you is toxic and life-negating, because it can be used to justify doing life-negating things. The implications are humongous.

[–]ctvzbuxr 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

If you think I'm a moral relativist, you haven't read what I said. I made a case for why ethics is objective and universal.
You on the other hand put forward a standard of ethics that is bound to whether something is "life-affirming" or "life-negating", which in turn is a completely subjective standard. And besides, rape can be life-affirming (let's say a woman doesn't want children), that doesn't make it ok. Regarding happiness (yes I know that's how it's spelled, I typed it wrong a few times): Your primary goal is happines too, even if you don't admit it. The things that make you happy may differ from those that me or others happy. You seem to be focusing on long-term happiness a lot more than short-term. You can eat a bowl of sugar and maybe that will make you happy for about 10 Minutes, but it decreases your happiness not long after that. But if you decide not to eat a bowl of sugar, that's because you want to maximize your happiness in the long run, which is a pretty smart strategy. But happiness is by definition that which motivates us to act. If I give a homeless person money, then because it makes me feel good to be charitable. If it made me feel miserable, I wouldn't do it. And neither would you.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Happiness isn't the goal of life though. That would be like saying that dying is the goal of life, since to live is to suffer.

The goal of life is to attain a state where suffering becomes impossible while still alive. It might not be what you THINK life is about. And that's fine, everybody is allowed their delusions.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The goal of life is God's grace whoch can only be obtained by helping those in need. Our society is based off consumerism; more and more things that we don't need at the expense of the impoverished that produce them.

And yes, I have a computer. Technology isn't bad, in the sense, we are all born into an environment. God finds us and if you listen and follow Yeshua's instructions,
He will show you the works that need to be done.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not at all. But it is fine that people who believe this do this, since it is the most beneficial outlook on life that primitive mind can hold. Religion is for primitives, and the caveman lives in pretty much every human on this planet. As such, it is understandable that religion would still have an elevated place in people's hearts and minds.

But the coming Übermensch will demonstrate that religion, even pure Christian values, aren't the be-all, end-all of goals. They are one step in a very long iterative process. Each step man is guided towards the light. Every few millennia, man becomes ready for the next step. And Initiates of the Cosmic Absolutes must come and offer their message, guiding the more advanced towards the next stage.

The next stage is the end of religion and the emergence of an actual SCIENCE (not scientism) as the guiding factor of man's evolutionary journey. It is a coming of age for the evolved, where obedience to commandments and recommendations gets replaced by a metaphysical inner science of connection with the Cosmic Absolute, affording the individual an actual UNDERSTANDING of what is needed at any given moment in time, and why, and how, and the implications and the perfection of this or that manifestation of Intelligence-Love-Will.

Using religious allegorical language, one might say this:

God's love for man is perfect. As such, he gives man not only ways to not commit sin, but the ability and means to eventually grow out of the mental states that make him easy to confuse and befuddle into sinful behavior. Giving only instructions to be followed more or less blindly would be putting a limit on the potential of man, created in his image. Is this absolute, perfect love? No. It is slavery: I create you to be easily fooled and not so great that you can fully understand me, therefore you will always be inferior and limited and need my guiding hand to achieve anything good. That isn't love, it's self-agrandizing pride.

God's perfect, absolute love is to create us in such a way that our potential is truly infinite ( IN HIS IMAGE! YOU ARE PERFECT! ) and as such, we are eventually capable of becoming his equal in many respects. That is the perfect love of God. He sent his son to guide us with new (at that time) wisdom and recommendations on how to migrate, spiritually, out of the dark, towards ever more light. But it does not end there. The journey is long and man comes from a spiritually indigent history. It must be taken in steps. Remember well the extreme backlash Christ received from people rooted in older religious "wisdoms". Man is fraught with memory and as such, change is always reacted to negatively. You seem to be doing the same. It is understandable.

God, in his perfect absolute love, has given humans fine minds. These minds are still much tainted with darkness, but with sufficient effort, they can be rid of it and acquire the SCIENCE of how to shun darkness and embrace the divine spark of His presence, gifted into each of us to grow and grow and grow. If only we will let it.

And the first thing this new science allows us to reveal is that ALL THOUGHT IS FROM DEMONIC ORIGIN. It's pretty much the only truth I will reveal about the process. Some few individuals will undertake it. And when the first few achieve the first milestone of this new science, the entire world will look on in wonder and say, "Ah yes! This is what we need". Until then, historically founded, obedience-based "goodness" will have to suffice for the vast majority who cannot yet see the next step.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't feel good when I do good things. In fact, my thoughts and emotions tend to make me feel like I'm guilty, or shamed, and I have to convince myself that what I'm doing is good (unlike others, where they apparently feel all accomplished when they do good things?) So, please, don't project that happiness-chasing philosophy onto me. You say mine is a more long-term goal, but I would say you are mistaking fulfillment with happiness. A woman may be able to have a life-affirming REACTION to the rape, but rape as an action is life-negating.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

It is ethical to eat animals, since they recognize that their bodies are food for others. But not all animals. Certainly dogs are dismayed by the barbaric practice of eating them.

[–]Jesus[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

God, only renounced animal eating prior to the flood, afterward, when the Eluid and Nephilim fell, God made it no sin for men to eat meat. Understand, that when I eat meat, and so too, do many societies have to, like the Eskimos to survive, I do it with the neat of intentions. None of them are abused and they have a good life; all enviormentally friendly. I see a lot pg Vegans talk about how great they are but don't realize half the crap they eat is not organic and sprayed with pesticides and industrialozed coe fertilizer that is more concern to the environment than small local organic ranging and farming.

Moral relativity is a sham. There is only one objective truth and subjective love. Solzhenitsyn was right to attack relativity.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is what vegans and vegetarians sponsor through their "EAT PLANTS! SAVE LIVES!" delusion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2Pyu-Cj0gg

And this is the organic version. The chemical warfare one is much uglier, if a lot less visible.

I eat organic carnivore. It's the only diet I can live off of, for all its great financial cost. It's also the only diet known to not cause the diseases of civilization.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

So it's not ethical to eat all animals, but is ethical to eat some? I can understand that, but I think there should still be a line drawn. It can even be a curvy line, giving some wiggle room here and there. I should mention that I do eat meat. I help raise cattle and chickens. My heart simply isn't positive that it's ethical to eat animals just because animals eat each other, or because they are obviously not as intelligent as us. However, I know cows who have more emotional depth than half the kids I grew up with, and chickens who are better problem solvers too.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, that emotional depth is what makes them very appreciative of being given the small and easy pleasures of pasture among their peers before the slaughter, which they understand and accept. They are even thankful for it, since it is, at least in the correct places, the gentler exit door from life. Being torn apart by tigers is a lot less fun than a bullet in the head, or its equivalent.

However, they do resent thoroughly factory farming. They find it infinitely insulting, given their willingness to serve as food to begin with.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I love your language towards these animals. I find it to be really refreshing.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you. It is but the unadorned truth, too.