The black/white logical fallacy as propaganda tool

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[–]zyxzevn[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

The black/white propaganda causes you to see everything in black and white in your way.
This is a general problem with society, and the 200 years old 2 party system is a very strong basis for such black/white propaganda.

Your answer "how KGB is subverting the west", shows that you are converting my general story to a black/white one. In this case the KGB is black. And it seems that you are promoted it as the cause of a 200+ years old problem of the US system. Probably you did not, but that was the reason I stated that you might not have read it.

This shows how badly the black/white fallacy is dominating the way people think. How we all think. People start to think that it is from the outside. And that the other must be wrong. While the problem is the two-sided system itself.

I agree that people are playing into the fallacy of 2 parties. These are people in power, not some people outside the country. By promoting false black/white fallacies, people can get more power. And politicians and corporations use it to push ideas that people do not really want. They are forced to choose between two bad sides.

For example, even Trump often plays with the media this way, because it gives him publicity. His supporters may not care about him saying certain stuff, but his opponents can go wild to even crazy. Like saying "Rocket man" or talking about problems in democratic states or problems with immigrants. But more extreme: "bombing Iran to the stone age".

And Hillary claims that everyone agreeing with Trump is a Russian bot. A similar black/white thing. In her case she is distracting the people and media from some real corruption problems.

There is no third independent party to bring them together in any way.

Because the news is using the 2 party divide to get more views or clicks, the discussion gets more extreme. And looking deeper, you can see that the CIA and FBI also support the division. It is also present in their own agencies. Some of these people appear clearly corrupt. Maybe the division gives some of them more power. Some of these people go directly to the media or become politicians.

And then we have manipulation from the Military industry and the Banks (+Federal banks). By buying politicians they can just do what they want. The Pentagon spending is extremely high, and the national debts are also extremely high. This money goes mostly into their pockets. And thanks to the 2-party division, on every level, people can not even investigate it. Because as soon you want to do anything against the endless spending, both parties (and media) are suddenly against you.

Anyway. Sorry that I overreacted a bit. And thanks for reply.

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

all i am saying is, when you are under attack - as the west clearly is - it is foolish to seek the problem in ourselves instead of focusing on the enemy. keep your eyes on the ball folks.

there is a reason there are no feminists, gays, trans people, refugees and terror attacks, drug epidemics in china, russia and other communist countries.

i still urge you to watch all the videos we posted..

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

all i am saying is, when you are under attack - as the west clearly is - it is foolish to seek the problem in ourselves instead of focusing on the enemy. keep your eyes on the ball folks. there is a reason there are no feminists, gays, trans people, refugees and terror attacks, drug epidemics in china, russia and other communist countries.

Maybe you are under attack, because you never saw the problems in yourself? Also, with enough time; all those countries will be under attack for the same issues. The seeds are already planted from the look of things.

And how can you say: there are no feminists, gays, trans people, refugees and terror attacks in china, russia and other communist countries? That is so easy to disprove statistically, I won't even do it here.

[–]useless_aether 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

so easy to disprove statistically, I won't even do it here.

wow. nice.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

wow. nice.

See that is an example. You argument is two words, and your original statement was thus:

there is a reason there are no feminists, gays, trans people, refugees and terror attacks, drug epidemics in china, russia and other communist countries.

Patently impossible. I guess I'm going to have to start spoon feeding you some of the obvious (Waste of fucking time!).

Examples of Feminism in China,

Examples of Feminism in Russia,

Examples of State of activism in Russia

Examples of State of activism in China

Examples of Refugees in China

Examples of Refugees in Russia

Examples of Terrorism in China

Examples of Terrorism in Russia

There is a lot more examples for drug abuses in communist countries but I'm not even going to bother sharing it because its beating a dead horse at this point.

And what is listed above are isolated examples of dynamic situations at play, but they are also seeds for something more in the future. I don't condone any of those things or even care of them but how a civilization deals with those examples shall determine its strength or weaknesses down the road. Longevity or failure. Innovation or Luddism? What are their logistics?

If a regime is too heavy-handed, there will be an inevitable reactionary opposition to reverse the scales. If it is too soft-handed, there will a reactionary opposition to reverse the scales. Am I establishing some basis of argumentation for you? Your ability to debate is too limited and you can't see the different points to an argument or something. Maybe you are very biased on your side of things but I am not :)

Excessive authoritarianism will give rise to human rights abuses and therefore reactionary blow-back towards liberalism down the road. And of course, vice-versa. Its the political pendulum and there are many of them throughout history. Now this is a throw-away account so I'll be outta here but I don't want to hear crap about being left-leaning or right-leaning "agent" "shill" or useful-idiot crap.

Don't care for either and just prefer to follow the facts wherever they lead, according to the different sides that are involved. Be seeing you again at some point "adversary".

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

this is how the 'progressives' lie. every single link is pointing to a single story, but our disinfo agent here labeled them in plural. that's dishonest right off the bat. further it all supports my claim: that as always, the commie regimes are mercilessly clamping down on everything in their huntas, while they support it in the west.

further, these are all grassroots examples, not organized and financed as it is in the west. another indication of your propagandistic intentions.

Examples of Feminism in China,

the headline:

In a #MeToo age, censorship has largely shielded China’s citizens from joining the feminist movement

Examples of Feminism in Russia,

right from the top of the article:

The giant vagina didn't spark police action in 2018, but participants were not so lucky in 2019

Examples of State of activism in Russia

^ this is some butthurt soros funded hrw article:

Repression escalated in Russia during 2019 as the government answered rising civic and political activism with bans, repressive laws, and showcase prosecutions, Human Rights Watch said today in its World Report 2020.

Examples of State of activism in China

they locked him up

Examples of Refugees in China

^ NOT islamic militants demanding sharia law and gibs!

Examples of Refugees in Russia

there is not even a single example here, it's just legalese

Examples of Terrorism in China

no, the commie state is doing the terror here. you are simply supporting the chines communist party propaganda!!! A BIG NO! A VERY BIG NO! :-)

Examples of Terrorism in Russia

as always, not examples, only one isolated isis attack after russia engaged them in the me. meh.

i wish i could say nice try, but no cigar, but this was not even a nice try. it was an ugly, pitiful try. why bother posting all this, knowing it wouldn't stand up to scrutiny?

if you would really believe in what you say you wouldn't have the face to serve us this crap.

you already proved yourself worthless when you attacked my post a week ago, based solely on the headline, without looking at the content. you don't have a mirror.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think you can even read posts or comprehend anything. The only dis-info agent here is you, trying to prove everybody else a commie and polarize fights! You better be real careful with that crap because the center (whose toes you are stepping on) is capable of maneuver and can see both sides of an issue with the fallacies involved. Your reply is as my user-name states: "utterly_garbage".

The only thing you are capable of is blaming the enemy for what you are guilty of.

Now let me prove you wrong, you retarded shill:

every single link is pointing to a single story, but our disinfo agent here labeled them in plural.

Your response^ to my statement below:

And what is listed above are isolated examples of dynamic situations at play,

I mentioned isolated long before your pointless shilling got triggered. They are not full blown civilization altering situations, and neither is it that bad here in the west right now. You dumb drones of the wanna-be shill regimes just don't even have your feet on the ground to think with a cool head. All you can do is pick fights with no basis and repeat your hysteria over and over again. Your post history is primary example of that!

Another one:

another indication of your propagandistic intentions.

Bullshit! I gave you isolated examples in response to your garbage statement earlier:

there is a reason there are no feminists, gays, trans people, refugees and terror attacks, drug epidemics in china, russia and other communist countries.

You said NONE of those things exist in communist countries, well I gave you some examples. I don't have "propagandist intentions" because I don't even care about those things. I didn't state those links because I agreed with the sources. I proved you wrong by large margin in showing you examples of those things in commie countries.

You know what, go around screaming Commies at the cloud you "dis-info agent". I'm not phased by your hysteria because I'm not a commie and could care less for your poor fundamentals of an internet movement.

Once again! Poor fundamentals; rejected. The only agent is you: shilling_aether. Thanks for wasting your time. And since I don't waste mine:

Good-bye and have a great day! Really, because you really are overcompensating for something. It shows. And I hope everything works out for you. In very general terms, you lack the center but you can't get one by defining your extremism as it.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Don't forget Russia's 9/11.

[–]useless_aether 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

i wish this is widely known: https://saidit.net/s/WorldPolitics/comments/1hb0/putins_rose_to_power_by_bombing_residential/

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And yet, UNZ and these right win multilateralist websites publish books on how great Putin is, isn't that just odd.