The black/white logical fallacy as propaganda tool

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[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (38 children)

all i am saying is, when you are under attack - as the west clearly is - it is foolish to seek the problem in ourselves instead of focusing on the enemy. keep your eyes on the ball folks.

there is a reason there are no feminists, gays, trans people, refugees and terror attacks, drug epidemics in china, russia and other communist countries.

i still urge you to watch all the videos we posted..

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (37 children)

all i am saying is, when you are under attack - as the west clearly is - it is foolish to seek the problem in ourselves instead of focusing on the enemy. keep your eyes on the ball folks. there is a reason there are no feminists, gays, trans people, refugees and terror attacks, drug epidemics in china, russia and other communist countries.

Maybe you are under attack, because you never saw the problems in yourself? Also, with enough time; all those countries will be under attack for the same issues. The seeds are already planted from the look of things.

And how can you say: there are no feminists, gays, trans people, refugees and terror attacks in china, russia and other communist countries? That is so easy to disprove statistically, I won't even do it here.

[–]useless_aether 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

wrong.

CULTURAL MARXISM - The Corruption of America

https://www.bitchute.com/video/yD4QEbmNNzAX/

also, watch the other videos posted here.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

I think he must be an "agent".

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

oh, thats fun! in the comments:

https://www.corbettreport.com/the-truth-about-shadowbanning-propagandawatch/

seriously?

because it was so hard to rename the kgb!!

"oh, we call it something else now. so it's totally not the same organization."

WTF! why are people like this even posting to s/conspiracy? :-)

edit: oh right, you told me why.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

I was talking about Winnowing.

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

oh i know, but i am over him.

i just moved on criticizing this other dude at corbettreport.com.

sorry for rushing.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

You're talking about zyxzevn?

I agree with him, there is a huge effort to Black/White (not racial, but polarities) divide & conquer people in opposite poles.

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

yes, the divide et impera is a step in a subversion strategy as laid out by the kgb dissident i mentioned, yuri bezmenov.

zyxzevn wrote it is our fault this is happening to us. i said it is the fault of the russian/communist secret war against america..

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Whut? That is beyond ridiculous though, I'll agree on that with you. I thought it was the "agent" dude (winnowing?) who wrote that.

But it isn't the Russian war against THE WEST (not "america" whatever that is).

There is ONE WAR and it's not geopolitical. Trump obeys his bosses. Putin does the same. Macron, BoJo, Merkel, you name them. They all obey THE SAME BOSSES. Will they go to war? If the bosses order it. When Trump provokes Iran, it's at the behest of his bosses. Iran is not controlled by the same forces. There aren't many countries left who aren't.

When Trump uses the Swiss embassy to tell the Iranians "DON'T ESCALATE" he's doing that on his own: he KNOWS his bosses want him to trigger an all-out war and he doesn't want it. Will he get reprimanded? For sure. Just like for other things he's done. But he does what he's told to do. And other things also of course. And so do all those "leaders" who realize they are not the puppeteers, but the puppets.

In the end, WE are being played. "OMFG the bad guys are... (so and so)" IS the deception. There are only a very tiny number of bad guys and a much larger number of puppets in positions of power, all arrayed against... PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME! Oh, it's not an armed conflict, for how would you have a few thousand people giving orders to a few million people to gratuitously murder a few billion people? That would backfire 100%. Plus, it's not precisely a genocide that's sought, but simply enslavement.

How do a couple million people enslave 7 billion? By twisting their minds into thinking they are free, that their system is good, that they chose this life and that they're doing fine, when in fact they are bleeding themselves for the benefit of their overlords.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yes, it is, but US media, DoD backed is doing just this. The writers are loatly Jews who emigrated from Hungarian and Russia. But also atheists ad aometimes Catholics.

Many neoconservative shills in the US media as well. They are real communiats who support Trotsky. They were originally progressives but thought they could use the right better to push their agendas.

So, we have Putin sometimes idolizing Stalin. He says, yes, he did terrible things but also raised the living standards for regular Russians. Putin makes clear references to the Neocons and Bolsheviks and the Jewish control in the first years of their rule. 200 years together, written by Solzhenitsym illustrates these facts. So if Putin exposes this, and the whites are back in power, and Trotskyite neocons are against Stalin who killed Trotsky do you think that it ISN'T per say russia that is doing the subversion but ALLOWING IT via the pushing out of revolutionary communists from yesteryear such as neoTrotskyites who have hijacked the executive branch of the US government and who control the media?

200 Years Together is published in Russia exposing Bolshevism. It is banned in the US by US publishers and prevented by Russia to be transcribed in English.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Welp... I think its about time for me to throw away this damn account and retire from the internet for being accused of agency.

The only agency I follow, is a reconciliation of the heart and mind. And that is the only agency I will always follow :)

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Who is? Who the agent?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

whooosh You missed the point.

Blame the enemy for your own weaknesses.

Throw a link instead of arguing the point from your comprehension.

Admitting fault to better your reasoning; you like to call others wrong.

I actually kind of like trump and the conservative base and would REALLY! like to stand with you against the zany left.

But your tactics are poor and not conducive to the center of well-being, henceforth you are rejected. Poor fundamentals.

[–]useless_aether 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

saiditor for two hours said:

Maybe you are under attack, because you never saw the problems in yourself?

by saying this you also missed my point i stated here:

this situation is exactly presented there. the sooner we realize this is subversion we are dealing with, the better.

that's why i wrote you are wrong and posted antonio gramschi

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Weak sauce!

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

learn to use proper words. they exist for a reason.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Weaker Sauce!

Edit: Y u argue sooo week? It must be t3h spicy like rague! Put s0m peppa in you speak!

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

^ dragging the debate down. imo.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There is no point in debating you. Your debates consist of one worded arguments and some repetitive videos, none of that conjectures to evidence.

I've already debated you: W34k s4uc3! You can blame yourself in dragging the debate down, thy fundamentals in relation to the topic at hand is poor. The enemy is only successful in subversion when there is no vision to be able to see it due to poor focus. On top of that, your fault finding in cultural marxism is misguided as well. The real lessons of history point to something a little different. Edit: Something something- Tyrannical or Authoritarianism perhaps?

[–]useless_aether 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

so easy to disprove statistically, I won't even do it here.

wow. nice.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

wow. nice.

See that is an example. You argument is two words, and your original statement was thus:

there is a reason there are no feminists, gays, trans people, refugees and terror attacks, drug epidemics in china, russia and other communist countries.

Patently impossible. I guess I'm going to have to start spoon feeding you some of the obvious (Waste of fucking time!).

Examples of Feminism in China,

Examples of Feminism in Russia,

Examples of State of activism in Russia

Examples of State of activism in China

Examples of Refugees in China

Examples of Refugees in Russia

Examples of Terrorism in China

Examples of Terrorism in Russia

There is a lot more examples for drug abuses in communist countries but I'm not even going to bother sharing it because its beating a dead horse at this point.

And what is listed above are isolated examples of dynamic situations at play, but they are also seeds for something more in the future. I don't condone any of those things or even care of them but how a civilization deals with those examples shall determine its strength or weaknesses down the road. Longevity or failure. Innovation or Luddism? What are their logistics?

If a regime is too heavy-handed, there will be an inevitable reactionary opposition to reverse the scales. If it is too soft-handed, there will a reactionary opposition to reverse the scales. Am I establishing some basis of argumentation for you? Your ability to debate is too limited and you can't see the different points to an argument or something. Maybe you are very biased on your side of things but I am not :)

Excessive authoritarianism will give rise to human rights abuses and therefore reactionary blow-back towards liberalism down the road. And of course, vice-versa. Its the political pendulum and there are many of them throughout history. Now this is a throw-away account so I'll be outta here but I don't want to hear crap about being left-leaning or right-leaning "agent" "shill" or useful-idiot crap.

Don't care for either and just prefer to follow the facts wherever they lead, according to the different sides that are involved. Be seeing you again at some point "adversary".

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

this is how the 'progressives' lie. every single link is pointing to a single story, but our disinfo agent here labeled them in plural. that's dishonest right off the bat. further it all supports my claim: that as always, the commie regimes are mercilessly clamping down on everything in their huntas, while they support it in the west.

further, these are all grassroots examples, not organized and financed as it is in the west. another indication of your propagandistic intentions.

Examples of Feminism in China,

the headline:

In a #MeToo age, censorship has largely shielded China’s citizens from joining the feminist movement

Examples of Feminism in Russia,

right from the top of the article:

The giant vagina didn't spark police action in 2018, but participants were not so lucky in 2019

Examples of State of activism in Russia

^ this is some butthurt soros funded hrw article:

Repression escalated in Russia during 2019 as the government answered rising civic and political activism with bans, repressive laws, and showcase prosecutions, Human Rights Watch said today in its World Report 2020.

Examples of State of activism in China

they locked him up

Examples of Refugees in China

^ NOT islamic militants demanding sharia law and gibs!

Examples of Refugees in Russia

there is not even a single example here, it's just legalese

Examples of Terrorism in China

no, the commie state is doing the terror here. you are simply supporting the chines communist party propaganda!!! A BIG NO! A VERY BIG NO! :-)

Examples of Terrorism in Russia

as always, not examples, only one isolated isis attack after russia engaged them in the me. meh.

i wish i could say nice try, but no cigar, but this was not even a nice try. it was an ugly, pitiful try. why bother posting all this, knowing it wouldn't stand up to scrutiny?

if you would really believe in what you say you wouldn't have the face to serve us this crap.

you already proved yourself worthless when you attacked my post a week ago, based solely on the headline, without looking at the content. you don't have a mirror.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think you can even read posts or comprehend anything. The only dis-info agent here is you, trying to prove everybody else a commie and polarize fights! You better be real careful with that crap because the center (whose toes you are stepping on) is capable of maneuver and can see both sides of an issue with the fallacies involved. Your reply is as my user-name states: "utterly_garbage".

The only thing you are capable of is blaming the enemy for what you are guilty of.

Now let me prove you wrong, you retarded shill:

every single link is pointing to a single story, but our disinfo agent here labeled them in plural.

Your response^ to my statement below:

And what is listed above are isolated examples of dynamic situations at play,

I mentioned isolated long before your pointless shilling got triggered. They are not full blown civilization altering situations, and neither is it that bad here in the west right now. You dumb drones of the wanna-be shill regimes just don't even have your feet on the ground to think with a cool head. All you can do is pick fights with no basis and repeat your hysteria over and over again. Your post history is primary example of that!

Another one:

another indication of your propagandistic intentions.

Bullshit! I gave you isolated examples in response to your garbage statement earlier:

there is a reason there are no feminists, gays, trans people, refugees and terror attacks, drug epidemics in china, russia and other communist countries.

You said NONE of those things exist in communist countries, well I gave you some examples. I don't have "propagandist intentions" because I don't even care about those things. I didn't state those links because I agreed with the sources. I proved you wrong by large margin in showing you examples of those things in commie countries.

You know what, go around screaming Commies at the cloud you "dis-info agent". I'm not phased by your hysteria because I'm not a commie and could care less for your poor fundamentals of an internet movement.

Once again! Poor fundamentals; rejected. The only agent is you: shilling_aether. Thanks for wasting your time. And since I don't waste mine:

Good-bye and have a great day! Really, because you really are overcompensating for something. It shows. And I hope everything works out for you. In very general terms, you lack the center but you can't get one by defining your extremism as it.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Don't forget Russia's 9/11.

[–]useless_aether 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

i wish this is widely known: https://saidit.net/s/WorldPolitics/comments/1hb0/putins_rose_to_power_by_bombing_residential/

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And yet, UNZ and these right win multilateralist websites publish books on how great Putin is, isn't that just odd.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

China has false flag terror attack knife stabbings all the time. 33 dead, give me a break.