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[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

They would just have a different panic. You clearly have an agenda against Christianity by scapegoating it for what are most obviously age-old problems of human nature.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

They would just have a different panic.

Okay. I find that very difficult to believe. How would you go about arguing for the plausibility of that?

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Look at any other religion. The pagans tortured anyone they suspected was an enemy of the state and the "god" emperor. Socialists think everyone is a Nazi. Nazis think everyone is a Jew. Radical Muslims think everyone is a degenerate. Humans are a laughably blind herd species, the tribalism is at such insane heights that they will accuse anyone who isn't absolutely blindly loyal to their cult and authority an evil enemy, and use that to justify doing terrible things to them. If that includes some awful distortion of Christianity then so be it, but it's the same dynamic as always. You're either with us or against us, they say.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Look at any other religion.

We have atheism now. And evidence-based ethics.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Evidence-based ethics align spot-on with the ones Jesus taught. That's what really convinced me.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Christians seem to be focused on virtues of no value like faith and subservience.

Whereas atheists seem to be more focused on things that matter like the environment or human health and education.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is a point that I took particular notice of from Hitchens. The ten commandments themselves have little to no value, or are some vague or obvious that it need not even be a commandment.

Atheists often seem to be regarded as being immoral, and you are right that it does often seem that atheists have actual interests that matter rather than those of a personal endeavour to please the almighty.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The actual truth is none of those things matter. This whole world is an illusion and all of those things are distractions to keep you too busy to notice things or inevitably come to the conclusion that it all just doesn't add up. What has been removed from Christianity is the fact that demons are the ones bringing charges against you, and that they do this so they can keep you imprisoned in their world and torment you based on your past misdeeds. That's why there's a ransom to be paid. It was replaced with an utterly nonsensical doctrine of God sacrificing himself to himself to appease himself and pay himself the ransom for everyone. Along with the traditional concept of heaven and hell that was specifically warned against in Luke 17:20-21. People who go through the white light tunnel and encounter dead people and whichever deity they believe in are being tricked by demons who impersonate others. They will ultimately trick you back to earth in one way or another, and maybe even force you if you don't have your charges cleared. Sometimes this veil doesn't work, and instead people literally see the massive machine powering this reality. If the thought of being in a wheel or gear bigger than the world with every possible timeline between each of its paddles and containing everything within itself feels unsettlingly familiar to you, that's how it's described. I can't remember seeing it but as soon as I heard that description I could feel a memory of it buried somewhere deep down. That's how things really are. All this objective reality stuff is an evil scheme.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Other way around.

Life and the environment are critical and under threat from pollution, land use change, climate change and over-exploitation.

Demons are highly speculative at best. You'd need a lot of very good answers to some basic physics questions to even propose the existence of such things.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Lol none of those things will matter anymore when you exit this whole universe and realize how small it is.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This is one of the mechanisms by which Christians are unethical.

"I don't care about your life or wellbeing, or even that of the whole planet".

This is why leading honest people away from Jesus is an unambiguously good thing.