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[–]Alphix 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (62 children)

Except the West, where the greatest advances by far in all fields of human activity have occured, has all been built on Christian values... Coincidence? I think not. Having people who respect each other out of basic morality frees up the mind to achieve greater things.

[–]EternalSunset 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

The ancient greeks were what you would call "pagans". They were significantly more scientifically advanced than Dark Ages Europe would be nearly a thousand years. They developed much of the basic algebra and geometry you learned at school (Thales, Pythagoras, Euclid, etc...), measured the width of the Earth (Eratosthenes) and it's distance to the Sun with extreme accuracy (Aristarchus of Samos), estimated the stars in the sky to be at least 2 light years away (Aristarchus of Samos), drew the first heliocentric model millennia before Copernicus (Aristarchus of Samos, again), invented Calculus thousands of years before Newton (Archimedes), founded the first university outside of India (Plato's Academy), and they even built mechanical computers capable of predicting the motion of planets and moons thousands of years in advance (Antikythera mechanism).

It took a millenium and a half for the Renaissance to come and western science to crawl back at where it was before Christianity ruined the Roman Empire. If not for classical pagan culture the west would probably still be a backwards shithole to this day. But go ahead, hang on to your jewish god.

[–]jet199 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

One of the main reasons Christianity has superior outcomes to Islam is that it heavily borrowed from Greek philosophy.

[–]EternalSunset 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I agree that this is the case today, but there was a time when the muslims too borrowed much from the greeks; that time was known as the golden age of Islam, a period of rapid scientific and economic progress within the islamic world that lasted until the destruction of Baghdad by the Mongol Empire. In fact, much of what we still have preserved today of the ancient greek texts was recovered from arabic translations made by Avicenna.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I always wonder why, all the way up to the middle ages, they had literature going back tens of thousands of years...and then it all just vanished. Was there an effort to erase everything?

[–]EternalSunset 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It's mostly from devastating wars and cultural shifts. Greek civilization never recovered from the diadochi wars and were eventually conquered by the romans. The romans decayed in power over the centuries due to their own wars of succession, corruption and innumerous barbarian invasions. Baghdad was thoroughly devastated by the mongols to such an extraordinary degree that one might say that in some ways it hasn't recovered from it to this day.

[–]Alphix 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's the official narrative, therefore it is wrong.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Jet199 is a disinformation spreading long nosed agent

[–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Americans say u/Airbus320 is an Americans bot running spam agent.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Islam borrowed heavily from Christianity.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

😮

[–]ActuallyNot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Jesus is one of the prophets in Islam. They don't accept his divinity, but they accept his divine inspiration.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Islam acknowledged uncorrupted philosophy as a legit old religion, read Gazzali and others.

[–]Canbot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are comparing pagans to pagans and claiming to compare them to christians. Europe was pagan well into the 17th century when the king james bible was published, which really started the christian revolution.

Only then did europe begin to become the dominant force in the world intelectually, culturally, and militarily.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The church is literally the pagan infiltration of Christianity. Even before Constantine it was already trying to align with Rome, so together they could destroy all the "heretics" aka real believers.

[–]Alphix 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The mechanical computer you speak of predates greece by many millenia. And Christianity did not "ruin" the Roman Empire, it ruined itself out of dealing with the kikes. And it's the exact same thing happening nowadays with the West. I'll have nothing to do with kikedom if possible, thanks. I don't think what you call "a jewish god" applies at all. Mary was a descendant of the refugees from Canaan, not a kike.

[–]EternalSunset 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The mechanical computer you speak of predates greece by many millenia.

It is dated to the first century BC and was found on a shipwreck in the Augean filled with many other obviously greek artifacts.

I don't think what you call "a jewish god" applies at all. Mary was a descendant of the refugees from Canaan, not a kike.

The first half of the Bible is literally the Torah.

[–]Alphix 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah and? I never wrote that the Jews didn't try to appropriate this religion too. Oh, by the way, maybe 5% MAXIMUM of the people mentioned in the Old Testament (or Torah if you prefer) can even by stretches of the imagination be considered to have been Jewish. Yes, the kikes appropriated that too.

[–]ActuallyNot 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

Except the West, where the greatest advances by far in all fields of human activity have occured, has all been built on Christian values

Less and less so. We have more sound atheist values. And the US in particular was built on atheist values.

  • "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own." - Thomas Jefferson

  • "The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries." - James Madison

  • "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." - John Adams

Having people who respect each other out of basic morality frees up the mind to achieve greater things.

The church doesn't have people respect each other out of basic morality. It preaches slavery. It preaches hatred of Gays. It preaches disrespect of Women. Secular Ethics is where you find true morality.

[–]Alphix 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

The nations with free speech were primarily inhabited by Christians.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Top 10 nations by Christianity:

Vatican City - 100%.
Timor Leste - 99.1%.
Romania - 98.0%.
Armenia - 97.9%.
Grenada - 97.3%.
Papua New Guinea - 97%.
Greenland - 96.6%.
Haiti - 96% (tie).
Paraguay - 96% (tie).
Zambia - 95.5%.

The vatican city is at least developed, but there's no great bastions of knowledge or freedom there.

[–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Source. What do they mean by "Christianity". And OF COURSE the most developed nations get invaded by non-Christians, that is what I've been talking about. Use the numbers for 100-200 years ago.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Source.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-christian-countries

What do they mean by "Christianity".

Vatican would be catholic, as would be East Timor, Grenada and Paraguay.

Romania would be Romanian Orthodoxy

Armenia would be Armenian Apostiolic Church

PNG is pretty mixed, with various branches of Christianity often combined with traditional practices.

Greenland has it's own church.

Haiti is mixed. Slightly mostly catholic.

Zambia are all over the place Anglicanism, New Apostolic Church, Lutheranism, Jehovah's Witnesses, the Seventh-day Adventist Church, and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Branhamism, Pentecostalism, and Evangelical movements exist. And about 20% are Catholic.

Use the numbers for 100-200 years ago.

What are they?

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

There's no such thing as a Christian country. Christian ethics are impossible to codify, and by doing so you're arguably already violating them.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Very Zen.

But the bible is full of commandments, laws, and parables teaching behaviour. It is a codification of christian ethics. And it's horrific.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

You say that because you don't understand them. It doesn't help that 99.9% of self-professed Christians don't either.

A large mission of the New Testament is to correct mistakes made with the Old Testament since its own time. It is very clear that all those horrific things are not to be followed. I do not count obvious forgeries such as 1 Timothy. Christianity might be the only thing in history to argue for absolute morality.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

You say that because you don't understand them.

Cruelty in the New Testament

[–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't know. My point is, today's numbers reflect the CURRENT TREND (of downfall) of Western civilization. Numbers from 100-200 years ago would testify what the Christian nations did in the past when things were going well.

I never wrote there weren't shitholes who say their main religion is Christian. Just like Bush kept talking about how he loves Jesus and he went on to kill millions. IT LITERALLY MEANS NOTHING.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

My point is, today's numbers reflect the CURRENT TREND (of downfall) of Western civilization.

Western civilization is in downfall, but not because of the rise of the age of reason.

In fact in the US you see the slide associated with the move to theocracy. The erosion of the separation of church and state. The overturning of Roe vs Wade. Inexplicable legal protection for bigotry only if it comes from Christians. The destruction of protections against gerrymandering pave the way for more autocratic government.

[–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You're mixing up everything.

Christianity is about morals and is THE ONLY RELIGION that teaches the sanctity of the individual. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights is a DIRECT CONSEQUENCE of the Christian ethos. If those things aren't progress to you, then I don't know what to say. And actually why do I bother responding to you. You're absolutely like a u/socks alt.

Welcome to my ignore list, Mr. Bad Faith.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Christianity is about morals and is THE ONLY RELIGION that teaches the sanctity of the individual.

And so long as you're not a slave or a woman?

You have a source that there's more emphasis on the sanctity of the individual in more emphasised in Christianity than every other religion?

There's eastern religions that extend the sanctity of life far beyond that of Christianity. Practitioners of Jainism carry brushes with which to sweep insects from their path, lest they inadvertently tread upon them.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights is a DIRECT CONSEQUENCE of the Christian ethos.

I don't recognise Christianity in there. The tenets of the satanic temple are closer than any christian ideals.

Welcome to my ignore list, Mr. Bad Faith.

Thank you most kindly. There is nothing I am more delighted to be welcomed to right now.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The church's morality is secular. Secular means worldly right? Well their excuse for everything is that it's the "natural order". They care about nothing but matters of this world. Meanwhile the original Christians were anti-worldly. But the church censored all forms of spirituality and truth and eradicated the heretics and gnostics. The whole reason the church was started is because the Romans were like, "uh oh, these Christians are a huge threat to the system, we'd better tame them before they get too unruly!". Eventually they drank their own Kool-Aid, and the Catholic Church was born.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The church's morality is secular. Secular means worldly right?

sec·u·lar /ˈsekyələr/ adjective 1. denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly, like wealth and politics.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

There was a time when that was the case. Sadly western Christianity has now turned against morality to make beating their enemies the priority. And the satanic operations love this and encourage it, because it provides them with plenty to use against Christianity.

[–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Of course, that is why the West is in such a downfall. Christianity was subverted a long time ago, and foremost amongst the symptoms of this is when "love your enemies" started being interpreted as "BE A FUCKING DOORMAT", which isn't what it means at all.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Are you paying attention? Christianity wants to completely throw out the golden rule right now.

[–]Alphix 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

Christianity doesn't exist anymore. WTF are you talking about.

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Judaism

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

What do you mean it doesn't exist anymore? It doesn't stop existing until there's no one left who remembers it.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

One might argue that it never existed.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Okay that's just insanity. We have records of it going back to at least the second century.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Scribblings of tribal peasants...The concept may have been present for several years, a couple of thousand at most in the Hundred thousand years of humans, but the reality is likely no more than the imaginings of a few poorly educated authoritarian men seeking to profit from the control of his fellow man through fear and manipulation.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You mean things like 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus, 1 & 2 Peter, and Jude? Those are widely agreed to be forgeries. Even a lot of conservative theologians will admit that.

[–]Alphix 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If somebody does not adhere to the values put forth by the messiah, can they be considered Christian? If they honestly try and fail? What if they just pay lip service and don't even try? What if they call themselves "Christian" because they were baptised but never had a loving moment in their entire life?

My point is, calling yourself "Christian" doesn't mean you are. I think being Christian means successfully adhering to the word and advice of the messiah. By that metric, the Christian religion has never existed. I might be one of the very few actual Christians ever, even though I am not religious at all.

In the end what does "being Christian" mean?

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Words mean whatever people understand them to mean. But I get what you're saying, and no one does seem to actually care for what Jesus said anymore, even "Christians", and sometimes especially them. But there are still a few so it's not extinct.

[–]Alphix 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not extinct, but not exactly widespread either. Especially if you go for the "seriously adhering to the Word" definition.

[–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I would say it stops existing when almost all of the so-called "Christians" deviate from the Word of Christ.

We're at this point.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

That's always been so, and Christianity even says it would be.

[–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Well, no.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Jesus said blessed are those who are persecuted by the masses.