Parents slam 'disgusting' After School Satan Club for children as young as five

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[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I personally find it disgusting that any religion is pushed on children or young adults.

That said, if you allow one religion to be offered to young people, you cannot condemn another no matter how dissatisfied you may feel about it.

[–]bife_de_lomo 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (104 children)

I love The Satanic Temple. The hypocrisy of the Christian parents, who are advocating clubs for their own supernatural beliefs, is astounding but funny they don't see the irony of their position.

Based Satanic Temple pushing for equality!

[–]Alphix 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (62 children)

Except the West, where the greatest advances by far in all fields of human activity have occured, has all been built on Christian values... Coincidence? I think not. Having people who respect each other out of basic morality frees up the mind to achieve greater things.

[–]EternalSunset 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

The ancient greeks were what you would call "pagans". They were significantly more scientifically advanced than Dark Ages Europe would be nearly a thousand years. They developed much of the basic algebra and geometry you learned at school (Thales, Pythagoras, Euclid, etc...), measured the width of the Earth (Eratosthenes) and it's distance to the Sun with extreme accuracy (Aristarchus of Samos), estimated the stars in the sky to be at least 2 light years away (Aristarchus of Samos), drew the first heliocentric model millennia before Copernicus (Aristarchus of Samos, again), invented Calculus thousands of years before Newton (Archimedes), founded the first university outside of India (Plato's Academy), and they even built mechanical computers capable of predicting the motion of planets and moons thousands of years in advance (Antikythera mechanism).

It took a millenium and a half for the Renaissance to come and western science to crawl back at where it was before Christianity ruined the Roman Empire. If not for classical pagan culture the west would probably still be a backwards shithole to this day. But go ahead, hang on to your jewish god.

[–]jet199 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

One of the main reasons Christianity has superior outcomes to Islam is that it heavily borrowed from Greek philosophy.

[–]EternalSunset 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I agree that this is the case today, but there was a time when the muslims too borrowed much from the greeks; that time was known as the golden age of Islam, a period of rapid scientific and economic progress within the islamic world that lasted until the destruction of Baghdad by the Mongol Empire. In fact, much of what we still have preserved today of the ancient greek texts was recovered from arabic translations made by Avicenna.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I always wonder why, all the way up to the middle ages, they had literature going back tens of thousands of years...and then it all just vanished. Was there an effort to erase everything?

[–]EternalSunset 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It's mostly from devastating wars and cultural shifts. Greek civilization never recovered from the diadochi wars and were eventually conquered by the romans. The romans decayed in power over the centuries due to their own wars of succession, corruption and innumerous barbarian invasions. Baghdad was thoroughly devastated by the mongols to such an extraordinary degree that one might say that in some ways it hasn't recovered from it to this day.

[–]Alphix 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's the official narrative, therefore it is wrong.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Jet199 is a disinformation spreading long nosed agent

[–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Americans say u/Airbus320 is an Americans bot running spam agent.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Islam borrowed heavily from Christianity.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

😮

[–]ActuallyNot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Jesus is one of the prophets in Islam. They don't accept his divinity, but they accept his divine inspiration.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Islam acknowledged uncorrupted philosophy as a legit old religion, read Gazzali and others.

[–]Canbot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are comparing pagans to pagans and claiming to compare them to christians. Europe was pagan well into the 17th century when the king james bible was published, which really started the christian revolution.

Only then did europe begin to become the dominant force in the world intelectually, culturally, and militarily.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The church is literally the pagan infiltration of Christianity. Even before Constantine it was already trying to align with Rome, so together they could destroy all the "heretics" aka real believers.

[–]Alphix 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The mechanical computer you speak of predates greece by many millenia. And Christianity did not "ruin" the Roman Empire, it ruined itself out of dealing with the kikes. And it's the exact same thing happening nowadays with the West. I'll have nothing to do with kikedom if possible, thanks. I don't think what you call "a jewish god" applies at all. Mary was a descendant of the refugees from Canaan, not a kike.

[–]EternalSunset 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The mechanical computer you speak of predates greece by many millenia.

It is dated to the first century BC and was found on a shipwreck in the Augean filled with many other obviously greek artifacts.

I don't think what you call "a jewish god" applies at all. Mary was a descendant of the refugees from Canaan, not a kike.

The first half of the Bible is literally the Torah.

[–]Alphix 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah and? I never wrote that the Jews didn't try to appropriate this religion too. Oh, by the way, maybe 5% MAXIMUM of the people mentioned in the Old Testament (or Torah if you prefer) can even by stretches of the imagination be considered to have been Jewish. Yes, the kikes appropriated that too.

[–]ActuallyNot 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

Except the West, where the greatest advances by far in all fields of human activity have occured, has all been built on Christian values

Less and less so. We have more sound atheist values. And the US in particular was built on atheist values.

  • "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own." - Thomas Jefferson

  • "The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries." - James Madison

  • "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." - John Adams

Having people who respect each other out of basic morality frees up the mind to achieve greater things.

The church doesn't have people respect each other out of basic morality. It preaches slavery. It preaches hatred of Gays. It preaches disrespect of Women. Secular Ethics is where you find true morality.

[–]Alphix 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

The nations with free speech were primarily inhabited by Christians.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Top 10 nations by Christianity:

Vatican City - 100%.
Timor Leste - 99.1%.
Romania - 98.0%.
Armenia - 97.9%.
Grenada - 97.3%.
Papua New Guinea - 97%.
Greenland - 96.6%.
Haiti - 96% (tie).
Paraguay - 96% (tie).
Zambia - 95.5%.

The vatican city is at least developed, but there's no great bastions of knowledge or freedom there.

[–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Source. What do they mean by "Christianity". And OF COURSE the most developed nations get invaded by non-Christians, that is what I've been talking about. Use the numbers for 100-200 years ago.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Source.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-christian-countries

What do they mean by "Christianity".

Vatican would be catholic, as would be East Timor, Grenada and Paraguay.

Romania would be Romanian Orthodoxy

Armenia would be Armenian Apostiolic Church

PNG is pretty mixed, with various branches of Christianity often combined with traditional practices.

Greenland has it's own church.

Haiti is mixed. Slightly mostly catholic.

Zambia are all over the place Anglicanism, New Apostolic Church, Lutheranism, Jehovah's Witnesses, the Seventh-day Adventist Church, and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Branhamism, Pentecostalism, and Evangelical movements exist. And about 20% are Catholic.

Use the numbers for 100-200 years ago.

What are they?

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

There's no such thing as a Christian country. Christian ethics are impossible to codify, and by doing so you're arguably already violating them.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Very Zen.

But the bible is full of commandments, laws, and parables teaching behaviour. It is a codification of christian ethics. And it's horrific.

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    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    The church's morality is secular. Secular means worldly right? Well their excuse for everything is that it's the "natural order". They care about nothing but matters of this world. Meanwhile the original Christians were anti-worldly. But the church censored all forms of spirituality and truth and eradicated the heretics and gnostics. The whole reason the church was started is because the Romans were like, "uh oh, these Christians are a huge threat to the system, we'd better tame them before they get too unruly!". Eventually they drank their own Kool-Aid, and the Catholic Church was born.

    [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    The church's morality is secular. Secular means worldly right?

    sec·u·lar /ˈsekyələr/ adjective 1. denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis.

    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Exactly, like wealth and politics.

    [–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

    There was a time when that was the case. Sadly western Christianity has now turned against morality to make beating their enemies the priority. And the satanic operations love this and encourage it, because it provides them with plenty to use against Christianity.

    [–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

    Of course, that is why the West is in such a downfall. Christianity was subverted a long time ago, and foremost amongst the symptoms of this is when "love your enemies" started being interpreted as "BE A FUCKING DOORMAT", which isn't what it means at all.

    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

    Are you paying attention? Christianity wants to completely throw out the golden rule right now.

    [–]Alphix 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

    Christianity doesn't exist anymore. WTF are you talking about.

    [–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Judaism

    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

    What do you mean it doesn't exist anymore? It doesn't stop existing until there's no one left who remembers it.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    One might argue that it never existed.

    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Okay that's just insanity. We have records of it going back to at least the second century.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Scribblings of tribal peasants...The concept may have been present for several years, a couple of thousand at most in the Hundred thousand years of humans, but the reality is likely no more than the imaginings of a few poorly educated authoritarian men seeking to profit from the control of his fellow man through fear and manipulation.

    [–]Alphix 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    If somebody does not adhere to the values put forth by the messiah, can they be considered Christian? If they honestly try and fail? What if they just pay lip service and don't even try? What if they call themselves "Christian" because they were baptised but never had a loving moment in their entire life?

    My point is, calling yourself "Christian" doesn't mean you are. I think being Christian means successfully adhering to the word and advice of the messiah. By that metric, the Christian religion has never existed. I might be one of the very few actual Christians ever, even though I am not religious at all.

    In the end what does "being Christian" mean?

    [–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Words mean whatever people understand them to mean. But I get what you're saying, and no one does seem to actually care for what Jesus said anymore, even "Christians", and sometimes especially them. But there are still a few so it's not extinct.

    [–]Alphix 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Not extinct, but not exactly widespread either. Especially if you go for the "seriously adhering to the Word" definition.

    [–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    I would say it stops existing when almost all of the so-called "Christians" deviate from the Word of Christ.

    We're at this point.

    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    That's always been so, and Christianity even says it would be.

    [–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Well, no.

    [–]Canbot 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (24 children)

    The satanic temple is a publicity front designed to groom people, in this case vulnerable and impressionable children, into the belief system upon which the real satanic worship is based.

    The "temple" has been scrubbed of everything that can easily be identified as evil or harmful, and then they claim all the remaining offensive dogmas are sarcastic as a starting point to mock thier detractors. They are manipulative liars, and you either fell for it or are a shill.

    The foundation of all the devil worshiping pagan religions is the moral paradigm that states that morality is subjective and not even God has the authority to dictate it to anyone. The "temple of satan" is grooming children to accept this paradigm because it will later be used to get them to never challenge anything they find morally reprehensible.

    They also mock religions while being a religion and simply lie about what they are. Then they use propaganda tactics like ad hominems to attack anyone who challenges them. This is a dispicable tactic that should be enough to reveal them as the bad guys, but unfortunately people are stupid and cant see through thier bullshit.

    This problem is compunded by the fact that stupid people love to think they are smarter than others and the church of satan uses that by claiming that what the devil offers is true freedom and knowledge. So all the morons who fall for their bullshit end up being arrogant fools who refuse to listen to anyones arguments and instead just spout insults. It's a leftists moron's black hole, they just cant get out.

    [–]bife_de_lomo 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    I'm certain you've got a bit confused somewhere.

    You claim The Satanic Temple is a pagan organisation, however Satan is a product of the Lore of the Abrahamic religions, not paganism. It is, therefore, Christians who believe in Satan, not Pagans.

    Indeed the Temple do not sincerely express belief in Satan, or any supernatural beings, at all. They are a pressure group dedicated to highlighting the unfairness of promoting one set of beliefs over another. They don't want a Satan club any more than they want a Jesus club or a Mohammed club, but if one exists then all have a right to.

    Also, I don't agree that they are "grooming" anyone, at least no more than Christians do.

    [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Indeed the Temple do not sincerely express belief

    There's that lie, right on cue.

    Sarcasm is only sarcasm when it is the opposite of what you normally do or belive. The teachings, lore, stories, and dogmas of your religion can not be sarcastic. When you do it all the time, say it all the time, preach it, and live it then it is not sarcasm.

    That entire subversion of reality you just spouted is designed to get soft brain fools to literally worship satan, something they would normally not do, with the simple cognitive dissonance of pretending they aren't really worshiping satan. But you still use the imagery. You still speak the words. You literally do everything exactly how a believer would, and then comfort yourslef in the delusion that its just a prank bro.

    [–]HiddenFox 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I'm going to have to go with canbot on this one.

    [–]ActuallyNot 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

    The satanic temple is a publicity front designed to groom people, in this case vulnerable and impressionable children, into the belief system upon which the real satanic worship is based.

    Nope, it's a set of beliefs based on dignity and reason. It is also used to limit Christianity's attacks on liberty, by utilising the rights they carve out for themselves that are offensive to thinking individuals to offend them.

    They are manipulative liars, and you either fell for it or are a shill.

    It's either them or you.

    They also mock religions while being a religion and simply lie about what they are.

    They do mock religions. It is legally important that they are a religion, and they do not claim not to be.

    Then they use propaganda tactics like ad hominems to attack anyone who challenges them.

    It's either them or you. Did you read your post before hitting "Save". Because there's an irony here, given the tone of your comment, that you have apparently missed.

    This is a dispicable tactic that should be enough to reveal them as the bad guys, but unfortunately people are stupid and cant see through thier bullshit.

    It is a despicable tactic. So stop it.

    This problem is compunded by the fact that stupid people love to think they are smarter than others and the church of satan uses that by claiming that what the devil offers is true freedom and knowledge.

    The Church of Satan are a different mob than the Satanic Temple.

    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

    You have a lot of trouble separating Christianity from its bad adherents.

    [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

    No, I'm looking at the overall effect of Christianity. And we'd be better off without it.

    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

    Those things will happen with or without Christianity.

    [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

    The shame is poor for development and leads to the sexual abuse associated with the church. The externalization of blame allows evil people to act with less consequence on their position in society and alleviates guilt. The judgement of everything as either right or wrong leads modern witch trials against people who are different from them.

    Christianity makes it worse. In some cases it causes them. Think of the satanic panic in 1980s, where good people had their lives destroyed. That would never have happened without Christianity.

    They're plausibly building for a new one in the 2020s, if some of what I read on this site has depth of belief in the american bible belt.

    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

    It wouldn't have happened without Christianity? You clearly aren't aware of just how horrific ancient pre-Christian societies really were. Even the Romans' most favorite form of entertainment was watching people be tortured, and they took children to see that. And before that they were doing child sacrifice and all kinds of the most barbaric things you can imagine. The Old Testament as bad as it is was far ahead of its time.

    [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

    It wouldn't have happened without Christianity?

    Obviously. People who don't have the delusion of the existence of Satan can't get satanic panic.

    You clearly aren't aware of just how horrific ancient pre-Christian societies really were.

    To state the obvious, I'm not suggesting the alternative is to revert to an ancient society.

    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

    They would just have a different panic. You clearly have an agenda against Christianity by scapegoating it for what are most obviously age-old problems of human nature.

    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

    If we're going to keep the school system (we shouldn't, but I know we will) it needs to stay out of all personal beliefs. No religion, no politics, no indoctrination.

    But no, the satanic whatever is far from based. It along with fundamentalist Christianity is a massive smear campaign to lead honest people away from Jesus. Both of them work together to swap Jesus and the satan, so Jesus is depicted as the devil and the satan is depicted as the humble, kind freedom fighter. It's the perfect plan to keep as many people as possible falling for the matrix trap.

    [–]ActuallyNot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

    But no, the satanic whatever is far from based. It along with fundamentalist Christianity is a massive smear campaign to lead honest people away from Jesus.

    Leaving aside your incorrect claim that the satanic temple are a smear campaign ... In what possible way is leading honest people away from "jesus" not based?

    [–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

    Seriously? How is Jesus bad?

    [–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

    It's bad for anyone to be taught to feel ashamed of themselves especially their sexuality, and its bad for society to have people who have externalised blame and judge all things as plain right or wrong.

    Any prescribed ethics is worse morally and worse for intellectual development than a considered ethics. Some of the ethical problems with Jesus are:

    1) Hatred of Homosexuals.
    2) Intolerance of Atheists.
    3) Intolerance of other religions.
    4) Favouritism towards other Christians.

    And in the past it has been used to justify racism, slavery and even genocide.

    Having people in power over ethics creates the problems you get with absolute power. The clergy is attractive to sexual predators, and there are a lot of people leveraging Jesus to get poor people to send them all their money.

    Some of the intellectual problems related to Jesus include science:

    1) Evolution. There is a natural delight in discovery of flora and fauna, especially long extinct mega-fauna, that creationists deny their children.
    2) Climate change. It's weird that this is linked to religion in america, but it is. Religious people maybe think that God will come and clean up after them. But we stand in the middle of a catastrophe. Well the God-squad sit in the middle of a catastrophe.

    And vulnerability to political manipulation:
    3) Poor religious people tend to vote against their own interests. This is bad for the economy as policies exploiting the lower classes become so extreme that growth is inhibited.
    4) Religious people are more Xenophobic than atheists. This makes them more vulnerable to demagoguery.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    There is a natural delight in discovery of flora and fauna, especially long extinct mega-fauna, that creationists deny their children.

    🤣

    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    None of the things you described are problems with Jesus. As a matter of fact his face would be boiling over the things done in his name. See you're already falling for the false flag operations.

    [–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    None of the things you described are problems with Jesus.

    They're problems with believing he is divine.

    As a matter of fact his face would be boiling over the things done in his name.

    His historicity at all has only weak evidence. No one who met him wrote anything down. No one who met anyone who met him wrote anything down.

    You really can't know how hot his face would get, since all accounts of him are filtered by generations of oral retelling, assuming he existed at all.

    See you're already falling for the false flag operations.

    Nevertheless leading honest people away is only a based thing.

    "Judge a tree by the fruit it bears", as he has reputedly said. “A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit; neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."

    I say, based call to that.

    Belief in his divinity is a very negative influence on the world.

    It is, in the words of the late great Hitch, "violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism, tribalism, and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children".

    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    Again, those are characteristics of organized religion, not belief in his divinity. He himself railed against organized religion and all those aspects of it. Nor is there any reason to think organized satanism would be any different.

    I disagree that we have no real information about him. It's true we don't know who exactly recorded the information, and that later editors combined it in different ways. But there are a huge number of things they all agree on, and those things are so right I just can't see a human making them up.

    By the way, Jesus was anti Old Testament law. Unfortunately an interpolation in Matthew made this confusing. Ironically it is the Shem Tob Hebrew Matthew that proves it, because in this section it abruptly changes from fluent Hebrew full of wordplay to awful language clearly derived from an overly literal translation of a Greek or Latin text (meaning it was originally missing and had to be copied from a non-Hebrew source). Afterword it reverts back to normal and he starts condemning various Old Testament laws. See Marcion's gospel for proof that Luke 16:17 was changed from "my words" to "the law". Using "the law" here is contradictory.

    [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    But there are a huge number of things they all agree on, and those things are so right I just can't see a human making them up.

    Most historians agree that he was from Nazareth. Because if you were going to make a messiah be born in Jerusalem to meet the prophesies, and you were going to make him up out of whole cloth, you would just make him from Jerusalem.

    The obvious cock-and-bull story about having to travel to a city you don't live in to be counted by a census that only counted Roman citizens is too stupid.

    But it's not strong evidence. They may have just been fitting some myth about being born in a stable to their Messiah.

    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    The first two chapters of Matthew and Luke are later additions. We don't have any real information about Jesus's birth and childhood.

    [–]bife_de_lomo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I'm fully on board with keeping personal beliefs out of school.

    It is interesting that you take the satanic temple's club at face value; the only people who believe in Satan are those who follow the Abrahamic religions. The Satanic Temple are highlighting the double standard of permitting one belief to be promoted while denying another.

    They don't actually believe in or promote Satan as a deity.

    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I'm aware of that. But the vast majority of people aren't, and the forces behind the veil created this situation intentionally.

    [–]iamonlyoneman 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

    So get out there and picket it. Get the local news involved, raise awareness and

    oh wait the last step is too hard

    run for school board on a stated agenda and reform your schools

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    So get out there and picket it.

    You didn't notice I posted this under censorship? It would seem to me that a Satan club has just as much as a right to exist under the 1st amendment as a Christian club does.

    Although I would be in favor of keeping all religion out of school, I expect consistent application of the rules

    [–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    The problem is most schools wouldn't allow Christianity because it's "bigoted".

    [–]ActuallyNot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    WTF?

    The after school Satan club only meets at select public schools where Good News Clubs and other religious clubs meet.

    If you'd had bothered to read the article, you'd have noticed that the bigoted Christians already had an after school club:

    "I understand the school has to allow them because they allow other after school programs such as the good news, which is a Christian based after school program, that one I'm okay with." - TFA

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    The problem is most schools wouldn't allow Christianity because it's "bigoted".

    Honestly I object to the state indoctrinating children with not just religion, but any ideology, be it christianity, wokism, satanism or anything else. The job of the state is to teach facts, not tell you how you have to interpret them.

    My main point here was the hypocrisy of many evangelicals that do want religion in schools, and cite their first amendment rights, but do not apply these principles consistently when they dislike the ideology in question

    [–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    The lack of religion is Humanism, and it's a religion. This is not an open question. The question is, what flavor will you tolerate.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    The lack of religion is Humanism

    No, thats atheism, which is not the same as humanism, nor is every atheist a humanist. Nietzsche would be an obvious example of an atheist who is no humanist.

    "Nietzsche, while departing from a humanistic, pro-Enlightenment viewpoint, criticized humanism for illusions on a number of topics, especially the nature of truth"

    There is even christian humanism

    "Christian humanism": a historical current in the late Middle Ages, where Christian scholars combined Christian faith with interest in classical antiquity and a focus on human well-being.[56]

    Anti-humanists can be atheists as well

    According to Karl Marx, humanism is a bourgeois project that attempts to present itself as radical but is not

    [–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Wrong

    [–]ActuallyNot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Which of those meanings do you think is synonymous with "the lack of religion"?

    [–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I'd try to explain it but it'd be a waste of effort. Maybe think on it some more.

    [–]troubleshooter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Home schooling ain't that complicated.

    Video: trans kids are guinea pigs

    https://youtu.be/sx8al3YsKQs

    [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

    Christians need to learn to organize outside of church because the church has been corrupted. Once they learn to leverage thier common cultural foundation to organize while fending off (((opposition))) they will be a force to be reconed with again.

    [–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

    Uhh...do you realize Christianity is a gigantic branch of Judaism?

    [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

    It's not. And jews absolutely hate christians. Look up the origin of the word kike.

    [–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Then why does everyone in the New Testament call themselves Jews?

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

    Islam, Christianity and Judaism are basically the same thing, all worshipping the same dude and are all basically evil. Yes they all hate eachother, but what other use is religion if not for hate?

    [–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

    Yeah throwing cow manure like u/jet199 is surely better

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    😂

    [–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Good morning

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    👋

    [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    That's just like saying "all religions are the same thing". It's simply wrong. That you can't understand the differences does not mean there are none.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I mean, all flavours of ice-cream are still ice-cream. Christianity stemmed from Judaism, Jebus was a Jew. Islam stemmed from the two because the Arabs were pissed they had no prophet so they got themselves a Mohammad. Just because they differ in politics and disagree on aspects, doesn't mean they are different. They are all the same poisonous crap.

    [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    All food is not ice cream. All religions assert non testable claims. Some religuons are more similar than others, but to say that some are the same because they have one thing or another in common is stupid. By that logic you could claim all religions are the same.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    By that logic you could claim all religions are the same.

    Yes, I could. Indoctrination of the susceptible minded who require something to motivate them other than the marvel of life itself. Sad really.

    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Only the organized religions.

    [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    That's not what it's supposed to be for, but that's what it ends up being when the wordly establishment takes over.

    [–]HiddenFox 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    We recently had school board elections here. 2.8% of eligible voters voted! Hilarious!

    [–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Next time you could get that all the way up to 4.3% if you go out canvassing neighborhoods making sure people know what' shappening here.

    [–]thomastheglassexpert 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    A phrase I taught my kids long ago since I knew damn well they would introduced to some various kinds of evil = "do not knock on the door of the devil for he just might open the door". Not one of my 7 grandkids exposed to any public school they are home taught plus Christian private. And now to "satan club" really.

    [–]Alphix 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Right out in the open. Kikes will never stop.