SPICY: Wagner march on Moscow after the RU MoD missile their rear bases

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[–]SoCo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Does anyone even know who this Wagner Group is, aside from Western media propaganda? It seems all they do is controlled opposition and pretend to be on Russia's side, while doing nothing but bash Russia in the media.

Maybe it's common to know who this group is? ....but US uses a one similar trick endlessly, where they pick someone they control, push them out proclaiming them on the other side, then only allow that person to speak for the other team. This way, they fully control the narrative, while appearing to be in a deep struggle with and providing equal negotiations with, the opposition. Then, the US will claim to have finally overcame the struggles of the sock on their left hand, with the sock on their right hand, then do whatever they please, having not once acknowledge the real other side.

It is the whole 2023 Biden versus McCarthy US budget sock puppet struggle.... only played on on a bloody battle field of dead Ukrainians fighting Ukrainians, in efforts to win the propaganda war against anyone with a racial Russia-heritage.

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's a very interesting fake conspiracy theory which you just imagined up. But Wagner have a long storied history in service of the GRU.

Wagner himself is Dmitri Utkin, a special forces member/spetznaz of the GRU, ruzzia's intelligence arm which deals with furthering their military aims. Utkin saw service during the Chechen wars, and then as a group of soldiers-for-hire offered around the world.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/stop-yelling-top-chechen-fighter-scolds-russias-wagner-mercenary-chief-2023-06-01/

https://theins.ru/en/news/262238

The soldiers-for-hire group grew and Prigozyn was bought in as CEO. Prigozyn is an old time colleague of Putin's - Prigozyn came up in the criminal underworld in st Petersburg when Putin was first a city official and then the mayor.

Prigozyn crossed paths with 90s st Petersburg Putin a number of documented times, including cooking for him and getting casino licences through Putin's oversight board.

https://theintercept.com/2023/03/02/yevgeny-prigozhin-hacked-resume/

After Putin became president, Prigozyn became known as Putin's chef, or the Kremlin's chef - and even today Prigozyn's catering companies supply the ruzzian army. Yes the same ruzzian army which Prigozyn complains about - he is responsible for feeding.

As a capable criminal CEO, Prigozyn's realm grew to include the Internet Research Agency, which has that fun connection to Cambridge analytica and the Mercers and a lot of trump related weirdos.

Today Wagner have a vast business empire in Africa, where they manage slave gold mines such as Ndassima in the Central African Republic, they occupy Libya through their vassal Khalifa Haftar, they have slavery and mining operations in Mali and Yemen and Armenia

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-wagner-group-ukraine-war-putin-prigozhin-africa-plundering-resources/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/africa/wagner-ukraine-russia-central-african-republic-gold-mine-putin-rcna86392

https://www.theafricareport.com/275235/car-cameroon-an-investigation-into-the-wagner-groups-african-financial-model/

[–]RedItBurn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

From what I understand, Wagner was effectively created by the RU government to do RU's bidding, but brands itself as independent to get around various RU constitutional issues. Prigozin's role is a bit more mysterious and weird. He's not a military commander. He's closer to a CEO, but doesn't actually own Wagner. If that doesn't make a lot of sense, it's because it doesn't make a lot of sense.

It seems all they do is controlled opposition and pretend to be on Russia's side, while doing nothing but bash Russia in the media.

I'm about 50/50 on this. It's really hard to tell if his insane behavior is really insane, or if it's intended to give NATO a false sense of security. (Fake example) "We're out of shells and dying here! Please don't attack us at the coordinates X,Y" Meanwhile, there are 500 artillery systems pointed at those coordinates.

Prigozin has flagrantly lied on numerous occasions, though some of what he says is true or half-truths. To have a more concrete opinion, I'd have to understand the Russian language. Personally, I wouldn't take anything he says seriously. The more interesting question is why is he behaving this way? Personally I don't waste much time on him, because he's a distraction, a non-news story. It's like arguing about what happened in a fictional event, when a nuclear bomb went off next-door.