China to rescue Venezuela defying US by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]Timmy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They must really want to cut ties with the US. I'm all for it. We need to get more manufacturing megaplants built. Wait, not more, our first of many.

'John Bolton tried to assassinate me': Interview with Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]fred_red_beans[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think he's trying to use the current racism rhetoric to inflame US citizens against Trump and Trump's actions against Venezuela. While I do think the US sanctions are not called for, I don't think using the racism card is a good tactic as it's manipulative and not really in good faith. Could be he really believes it too, but then it shows he's naive IMO.

'John Bolton tried to assassinate me': Interview with Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah the KKK bit is over the top, like saying Nazi. He shouldn't say it unless he can prove it.

'John Bolton tried to assassinate me': Interview with Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]fred_red_beans[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Whether I agree with what they are saying or not, I'd much rather hear it from the person than a talking head explaining their take.

Maduro's KKK references just seem inflammatory toward the Trump administration. While most of his criticisms I think are quite valid, the KKK racism stuff is just red herring.

'John Bolton tried to assassinate me': Interview with Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes man, I love getting it from the horse's mouth.

"Electromagnetic Attack" Sparks Massive Blackouts Across Venezuela by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]VantaFount 0 insightful - 1 fun0 insightful - 0 fun1 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'll have to peruse this later. Thank you!

"Electromagnetic Attack" Sparks Massive Blackouts Across Venezuela by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]potatomoosh 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Help, I'm the magnetosphere.. SO weak right now. Oof. And my poles.. My poles are wondering!

-Reading "Worlds in Collision" by Immanuel Velikovsky

Free too. http://www.everythingselectric.com/product/worlds-in-collision-free/ I bought the hardback though

"Electromagnetic Attack" Sparks Massive Blackouts Across Venezuela by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]SuperConductiveRabbi 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I certainly trust the information minister from a failing police state that their crumbling infrastructure didn't cause the blackout, but something conveniently external and apparently unprecedented.

"Electromagnetic Attack" Sparks Massive Blackouts Across Venezuela by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]VantaFount 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Suspicious0bservers briefly touched on this occurrence, in this morning's news cast. He seems to believe that the incident is not man-made, but rather a by-product of multiple current solar weather issues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qEq9flfMFI

"Electromagnetic Attack" Sparks Massive Blackouts Across Venezuela by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]Optimus85 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And who would the attackers be?

"Electromagnetic Attack" Sparks Massive Blackouts Across Venezuela by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]hennaojisan 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ohh, I thought it was New York at first. :)

Venezuelan corruption scandal tied to Guaido by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]fred_red_beans[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Rick Sanchez reminds us of how the neocons in Washington repeatedly tried in vain to install opposition leader Juan Guaido in Venezuela’s presidency against the wishes of Venezuelans themselves and opposition from Russia and China. Guaido is currently embroiled in controversy following public awareness of an embezzlement-scandal wherein aid funds were grossly misused by officials in his orbit. .

Study Linking US Sanctions to Venezuelan Deaths Buried by Reuters for Over a Month by Robin in Venezuela

[–]fred_red_beans 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I asked why the piece made no mention of a study (CEPR, 4/25/19) released a month earlier by economists Mark Weisbrot and Jeffrey Sachs, which directly linked US sanctions to 40,000 deaths in Venezuela since August of 2017.

Her reply to me on May 23 was quite telling:

I was not aware of that study, but am now and will bear in mind.

US-backed Venezuela opposition caught embezzling ‘humanitarian aid’ cash by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]Timmy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No one should ever be surprised when corruption is uncovered when billions of dollars are at stake.

Report Finds US Sanctions on Venezuela Are Responsible for Tens of Thousands of Deaths | Press Releases by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]fred_red_beans[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, the US is blocking the purchase of oil from PDVSA. Chavez (Maduro's predecessor) steered the Venezuela economy towards heavy reliance on oil exports. With the US blocking oil exports, Venezuela has a hard time paying for and importing things not made in Venezuela like medicines.

Report: US Sanctions Have Cost 40,000 Venezuelan Lives

Based on a number of different studies, the report estimates that sanctions were responsible for 40,000 deaths in 2017-2018, and that there are a further 300,000 people at risk due to lack of access to medicines. This includes “80,000 HIV patients who have not had antiretroviral treatment since 2017, 16,000 people who need dialysis, 16,000 people with cancer, and 4 million with diabetes and hypertension.”

Report Finds US Sanctions on Venezuela Are Responsible for Tens of Thousands of Deaths | Press Releases by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]fred_red_beans[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What events are you referring to?

The fact that Venezuela has a huge oil basin?

U.S. Sanctions Are Aimed at Venezuela’s Oil. Its Citizens May Suffer First. - NYT

Report Finds US Sanctions on Venezuela Are Responsible for Tens of Thousands of Deaths | Press Releases by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]fred_red_beans[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So why don't you make some posts that have and back up that information? I'd be interested in seeing it.

Report Finds US Sanctions on Venezuela Are Responsible for Tens of Thousands of Deaths | Press Releases by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]wizzwizz4 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The job of the admins is to enforce the Pyramid of Debate, not your personal conception of political neutrality.

Report Finds US Sanctions on Venezuela Are Responsible for Tens of Thousands of Deaths | Press Releases by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]Afor 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't know the US was responsible for supplying Venezuela. So are the US stealing their own produce by refusing to sell it to Venezuela?

Report Finds US Sanctions on Venezuela Are Responsible for Tens of Thousands of Deaths | Press Releases by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]HibikiBlack 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep. What about the millions of dollars that the socialists themselves admitted that were lost in corruption, the family members of Maduro being caught with 20$ million worth of Cocaine being transported from Venezuela to Haiti to the US, or the millions of dollars worth that the socialists themselves have in the US in terms of both properties and bank accounts?

Non of this gets any attention. All we get is the socialists are good guys, the US doesn't let them work biased black and white narrative.

Seriously /u/magnora7 ... Are you following these posts?

Report Finds US Sanctions on Venezuela Are Responsible for Tens of Thousands of Deaths | Press Releases by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]Timmy 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Why aren't the events that led up to the sanctions being blamed?

Report Finds US Sanctions on Venezuela Are Responsible for Tens of Thousands of Deaths | Press Releases by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]SuperConductiveRabbi 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What percentage of deaths is their steadily declining, socialist government responsible for?

Report Finds US Sanctions on Venezuela Are Responsible for Tens of Thousands of Deaths | Press Releases by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]fred_red_beans[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm sorry :(

Report Finds US Sanctions on Venezuela Are Responsible for Tens of Thousands of Deaths | Press Releases by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]HopeThatHalps 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This is nice and all, but nothing matters anymore.

US-backed opposition leader admits Venezuela ‘is not a dictatorship’ and only foreign intervention can topple Maduro by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]fred_red_beans[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Machado conceded that the US-led coup attempt that she has helped to lead for nearly four months has failed. The only hope, she argued, is a foreign military intervention.

Leaked: USA's Feb 2018 Plan For A Coup In Venezuela by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]Timmy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Joint Army and Navy Board began doing this in the 1920's. I see no reason to believe that today's military is not fully prepared for any scenario. They would pull up a plan and adjust as needed based on conditions at that moment.

Leaked: USA's Feb 2018 Plan For A Coup In Venezuela by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]fred_red_beans[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't believe the US has a specific plan for a coup in every country similar to or to the extent of the plan detailed in the OP.

Leaked: USA's Feb 2018 Plan For A Coup In Venezuela by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]Timmy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My point was the the US military always has plans that cover every contingency for every country. The plans are adjusted as needed. You don't stay on top by losing a step.

Of course the US is not going into Canada. We're buddies.

Leaked: USA's Feb 2018 Plan For A Coup In Venezuela by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]fred_red_beans[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't believe the US has a plan to overthrow the current Canadian government. The US is supposedly working on a basis that somehow Guido is an interim president because he declared himself so. A plan for a coup flys in the face of that premise.

Leaked: USA's Feb 2018 Plan For A Coup In Venezuela by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]Timmy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To be fair, the US military has plans for every possible contingency in place, probably including invading Canada, eh.

MoA - Venezuela - Guaidó Got Snookered - White House Starts Beating War Drums by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]fred_red_beans[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Everyone in Washington believed that significant figures in the Venezuelan government would change sides. They did not do so. Vladimir Padrino rejected the coup within an hour after Guaidó announced it. It seems that the Guaidó side got played by the Venezuelan Defense Minister and several other officials and officers. They seem to have promised to support Guaidó only to bait him into taking steps that would embarrass him.

Guaidó and his backers in the Trump administration were made to believe that some significant elements of the Maduro government and of the army would turn on Maduro. They launched a coup attempt that fell apart within a few hours as no one changed sides. All their blustering has now been deflated. Guaidó has lost his credibility. Washington may still support him but in Caracas there is likely no one left who believes in him.

Bolton, Pompeo, Abrams and of course Donald Trump have been exposed as buffoons who, despite their powerful positions, can not even organize a simple coup. They publicly supported through dozens of tweets and interviews what turned out be a bad amateur theater play. The diplomatic corps will joke about this episode for the next decade.

Pompeo Threatens Military Intervention After Maduro Declares Victory Over 'Attempted Coup' by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]toxic_masculinity 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

remember when the propagandists push a moral justification for war they always gloss over its true cost in hundreds of thousands of lives. exhibit a the syrian snipers vs 600k dead. exhibit b driving into protesters in venusuela.

Exclusive - Blackwater founder’s latest sales pitch: mercenaries... by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]fred_red_beans[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Originally submitted by salvia_d

US cracks down on Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]kazenmusic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Must have been bullied as a kid; his rage knows no bounds

Venezuela Strips Guaido Of Public Office For 15 Years by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]sawboss 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

MFW I'm so accustomed to propagandistic media that any unslanted reporting of facts feels incomplete. 😕

Russian Troops, Aid Arrive In Venezuela After Delivering Red Line Warning To Trump - ZeroHedge by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]hennaojisan 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It only takes a few nukes to ruin your whole day.

Russian Troops, Aid Arrive In Venezuela After Delivering Red Line Warning To Trump - ZeroHedge by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]fred_red_beans[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Me saying "I don't feel" is not based on a hunch, it's based on the evidence I have seen.

Correcting The False Narrative On Venezuela & Humanitarian Aid

The real humanitarian aid: Inside Venezuela’s state-subsidized communal markets - Max Blumenthal

Max Blumenthal searches for communist dictatorship at Venezuelan luxury mall

There certainly are problems in Venezuela, such as hyper-inflation, but US Sanctions Cost Venezuela $6B Since August 2017, Sparking Humanitarian Catastrophe

Maduro won in a democratic election:

Did Venezuela’s President Really ‘Steal’ the 2018 Election from an Unknown Who Didn’t Run?

Former US President Carter: Venezuelan Electoral System “Best in the World”

Certainly there is suffering in Venezuela, just as there is suffering in any other country including the US, but after the Bolivarian revolution, Poverty in Venezuela fell from 70% in 1996 to 23% in 2009

The suffering in Venezuela does not even come close to what has happended in Syria or Yemen in recent years.

Again, this is based on my analysis of the information I have gathered. I certainly encourage you to gather your own information and make your own conclusions, and post them here on Saidit. I am certainly open to hearing a dissenting view or contrary information.

Cheers!

Russian Troops, Aid Arrive In Venezuela After Delivering Red Line Warning To Trump - ZeroHedge by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]sawboss 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I thought something similar, but current day Russia is not equal to 1960s' USSR.

Russian Troops, Aid Arrive In Venezuela After Delivering Red Line Warning To Trump - ZeroHedge by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]hennaojisan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Speaking of "feels," this has parallels with the 1961 Cuban Missle Crisis that came very close to starting a war. Bear baiters must be careful here. Are the Deep Underground Military Bases (DUMBs) ready? Do any of us have access? I doubt it.

Russian Troops, Aid Arrive In Venezuela After Delivering Red Line Warning To Trump - ZeroHedge by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]sawboss 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't feel the US has any business intervening in Venezuela

That is also my feeling, naturally. Feelings aren't fact based arguments though. I'm sure the situation is more complex than I know.

other than to exlpoit it's resources.

If by "exploit" you mean "purchase their oil at market prices, I don't see anything wrong with that. Like I said though, the only thing I know for sure is I don't know.

Too bad I can't count on the press to give a factual account of what's actually happening. All I really know is that real venezuelans say they are really suffering.

Russian Troops, Aid Arrive In Venezuela After Delivering Red Line Warning To Trump - ZeroHedge by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]fred_red_beans[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't feel the US has any business intervening in Venezuela other than to exlpoit it's resources. Take a look at the other posts in this sub, the so called humanitarian crisis is just an excuse for US to intervene.

Russian Troops, Aid Arrive In Venezuela After Delivering Red Line Warning To Trump - ZeroHedge by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]sawboss 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This scares me. I am philosophically opposed to military interventions/expansions. Our history with meddling in other countries' affairs is pretty deplorable. But maybe there could be a humanitarian argument to outweigh my anti-war bias. I just don't know.

Max Blumenthal debunks corporate media lies about Venezuela at United Nations by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This one needs more attention (votes).

Of all the folks on SaidIt that beat me to the post, Fred you win hands down.

"Ben Swann ON: Video Proof That Venezuelan Government Did Not Burn Aid Trucks" by Ben Swann on RT (2019-03-11) by JasonCarswell in Venezuela

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I will re-read and try to understand it better.

"Ben Swann ON: Video Proof That Venezuelan Government Did Not Burn Aid Trucks" by Ben Swann on RT (2019-03-11) by JasonCarswell in Venezuela

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you didn't read it you are ignorant of my views on it and further discussion is pointless, besides being insulting.

"Ben Swann ON: Video Proof That Venezuelan Government Did Not Burn Aid Trucks" by Ben Swann on RT (2019-03-11) by JasonCarswell in Venezuela

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

TL;DR: Russia isn't the hero Crimea deserves, but it might be the one it needs right no. And also Russia would really benefit from owning Ukraine.

Am I right in saying that that's a summary of what you were saying? Or am I completely missing your point?


Personally, I disagree with most invasions, and support most independences, as a rule. (Except the Scottish referendum and Brexit, but that's because there isn't really much oppression going on there.) Although annexation of Crimea might have benefited Russia, I'm not sure to what extent it benefited the citizens.

"Ben Swann ON: Video Proof That Venezuelan Government Did Not Burn Aid Trucks" by Ben Swann on RT (2019-03-11) by JasonCarswell in Venezuela

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was hoping you'd ask.

First, Russia has a long and fascinating history. This include Genghis Khan, Catherine The Great, Czars, etc. They rejected royalty so much they killed them. They've been punished for rejecting the establishment since. That cold war was not so cold. Finally they subverted their economy and instead of Western powers going in to save it and own it the allowed it to fail even worse since the early nineties. The powers that be don't care about the people, thus America is crumbling now. They just care about their power and control. They're already filthy rich and make up the economic systems anyway, so even if you doubled their wealth by making the entire society flourish (the rising tide lifts all boats) it wouldn't really affect their lives other than to make everyone else more secure - and thus some might lift the veil, see the deception, and organize change.

An excellent analysis of some of this is covered in Naomi Klein's "The Shock Doctrine".

We now have Putin because that's what was allowed to flourish. More of the same kind of tyranny tolerated by the capitalists. The west pretends he's evil meanwhile they make deals with him. Clintons and the Uranium One scandal, Trump and his OTHER Russia dealings they won't cover or investigate, etc.

Anyway, Ukraine and other countries used to be part of the USSR. Nostalgic Russians still believe they have a right to reclaim what was once theirs. And it's on their border. And most importantly it's critical to having access to the warm water oceans via the Mediterranean. The rest of Russia's ports are terrible in the winter and they're almost land locked.

Imagine if Canada took over Detroit (or both sides of Niagra) or took action in Montreal, and then we blocked all traffic on the Great Lakes seaway. That means all upstream, including Chicago, would be screwed and would depend ONLY upon rail and roads. Not the best example.

Russia cannot allow access to the oceans to be compromised.

That's my number one reason. But there are more.

Due to the fate of the Universe, the Middle East is critical for many reasons, beyond the oil, the clash of cultures, etc etc etc. It's also the pinch between 4 great land masses. Northern Asia with Russia is divided from India by a great mountain range with the tallest mountain on the planet, Europe, and Africa. This is not just a cultural crossroads but a physical pinched crossroads and they all want their resources to be freely exchangeable, whether it's railways, pipelines, or superhighways. This is about power and control too.

The West (USA, UK, Israel, Saudis) wants to control this even though it's obviously meddling in Russia's front yard.

As far as Russia's claims to other formerly Soviet countries, I have mixed feelings. Personally I would prefer more decentralization and all countries be as small as possible. But this makes them weaker. So for these post-Soviet countries I'd like them to be small but I wouldn't like them to be weaker and potentially proxy battlefields of the US and Russia. I'd like them to be independent but they might do better under Russia's wing. The USA doesn't care about them. At all. And the ONLY reason Germany did so well during the cold war was to shove it in the face of Russia and East Germany. It was artificially propped up glorious "western capitalism".

Am I a fan of Russia? Fuck no.

Am I a fan of US Empire? Fuck no.

I don't pick sides.

Also, for another comparison, Puerto Rico is a territory of the USA. Trump may blame them for their economy, but it's the same fucking economy as the USA. The same. They ARE part of the USA - like many US territories, and they don't have rights or votes or anything. It's actually very evil.

But say for example Puerto Rico somehow managed to escape from the clutches of the USA. Not even going "communist" or asking Russia for protection. The US would insist on reclaiming it.

Now imagine if Russia started supporting Puerto Rico (or Cuba). Things get more intense. It's also complicated because you have the US interests, the Russian interests, and then you have the interests of the local people and the interests of the new local leaders. Maybe they didn't like the capitalists. Maybe they don't like communists either. Maybe they're just more of the same but different and a perfect excuse for war and conflict and oppression.

But the difference between Puerto Rico/Cuba and the Ukraine/Crimea is that the Russian continent depends on that ocean access and the USA has abundant coastlines for overseas resources.

There's more, but I've ranted enough.

"Ben Swann ON: Video Proof That Venezuelan Government Did Not Burn Aid Trucks" by Ben Swann on RT (2019-03-11) by JasonCarswell in Venezuela

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Really? Interesting…

Might I ask why?

"Ben Swann ON: Video Proof That Venezuelan Government Did Not Burn Aid Trucks" by Ben Swann on RT (2019-03-11) by JasonCarswell in Venezuela

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That article is about Russia and Russia relations. I already stated that's a "weak/blind spot" for RT. More than once.

And to be honest, I'm on Russia's side on most of the Ukraine issues.

"Ben Swann ON: Video Proof That Venezuelan Government Did Not Burn Aid Trucks" by Ben Swann on RT (2019-03-11) by JasonCarswell in Venezuela

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fixed the link. Sorry I didn't spot that!

"Ben Swann ON: Video Proof That Venezuelan Government Did Not Burn Aid Trucks" by Ben Swann on RT (2019-03-11) by JasonCarswell in Venezuela

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How did I do it? I know of what I speak before I speak.

I tried to explain to the Rational Wiki folks that the CIA was orchestrating and managing ISIS and they refused to see any of it or be even slightly skeptical. They said I was trolling and using lists of evidence to bully them (but with their custom code goat in-joke shit).

I also know that RT is very good except when it parrots the MSM and establishment stuff, and of course harsh criticism of Russia.

Bad link.

And I don't buy anything from any government whole cloth. Especially rigged systems like the EU, as bad as Washington, designed to exploit and collapse society.

"Ben Swann ON: Video Proof That Venezuelan Government Did Not Burn Aid Trucks" by Ben Swann on RT (2019-03-11) by JasonCarswell in Venezuela

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How did you do that? You dismissed a source without sounding like a sceptic-for-scepticism's-sake. I should be taking notes.

Ok, then. Is the European Parliament a more reliable source for you? This directly pertains to:

Find me fabrications on RT that aren't abundant on other MSM

"Ben Swann ON: Video Proof That Venezuelan Government Did Not Burn Aid Trucks" by Ben Swann on RT (2019-03-11) by JasonCarswell in Venezuela

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Now who's being gullible.

Rational Wiki is one of the least rational places I've ever been online.

After Wikipedia banned me for a year for being "another polite truther" I first went to Rational Wiki. Being skeptical of God is the lowest hanging fruit a skeptic can reach for. They are an utterly intolerant close-minded community of goat lovers.1

If they can't handle a neutral article about James Corbett (that I wrote and they tried to add goat2 to) then they can't be relied on much else. I actually prefer Wikipedia's consistent bias to that of Rational Wiki which is all over the map except where it should be.

Come on man.

"Ben Swann ON: Video Proof That Venezuelan Government Did Not Burn Aid Trucks" by Ben Swann on RT (2019-03-11) by JasonCarswell in Venezuela

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not saying it's worse than other MSM organisations (that depends on whether you're patriotic to the US). But RT makes stuff up loads, while cleverly avoiding accountability for it. See the RationalWiki article on RT.

"Ben Swann ON: Video Proof That Venezuelan Government Did Not Burn Aid Trucks" by Ben Swann on RT (2019-03-11) by JasonCarswell in Venezuela

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Take every post and everything everywhere at all times for ever and ever with a heap of salt, including your ample skepticism.

Find me fabrications on RT that aren't abundant on other MSM that makes them more worthy of your scorn on RT above all others.

"Ben Swann ON: Video Proof That Venezuelan Government Did Not Burn Aid Trucks" by Ben Swann on RT (2019-03-11) by JasonCarswell in Venezuela

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I didn't say it was wrong. I didn't say it was worse than CNN. I said not to trust it.

This organisation does not have your best interests at heart. They often mix legitimate stories with outright fabrications, so it's very hard to tell the difference. I trust you to be able to do so 7 times out of 10, but I wouldn't trust many people (myself included) to be able to do so even 3 times out of 10.

"Ben Swann ON: Video Proof That Venezuelan Government Did Not Burn Aid Trucks" by Ben Swann on RT (2019-03-11) by JasonCarswell in Venezuela

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I'd take RT over CNN any day. I buy most of their info too. Granted they don't rip into Russia obviously, but the rest is legit and too mainstream if anything.

If you don't think the burned trucks were misreported then you haven't been paying attention to all the other verification posted on /s/Venezuela about the MSM bullshit propaganda.

"Ben Swann ON: Video Proof That Venezuelan Government Did Not Burn Aid Trucks" by Ben Swann on RT (2019-03-11) by JasonCarswell in Venezuela

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's RT. Take it with a pinch heap of salt, like you would with CNN. This is not news; it looks like a talk show – an opinion piece.

Max Blumenthal: Report From the Real Venezuela by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

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Good interview.

A CANVAS-Based Coup in Venezuela by useless_aether in Venezuela

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Interesting stuff, the "opposition" has been around for a long time.

This association shows that the Otpor/CANVAS folks were utilizing their non-violent strategies popularized and written about by Gene Sharp in Venezuela, and, just like in Serbia, have spent their political capital to get themselves elected to the National Assembly, obtain an opposition majority, and ultimately declare one of their own interim President and have it stick. President Maduro may have seen this coming, and has established a parallel legislative body and judicial system in the process, actually helping make the argument of his legitimacy (or lack thereof).

A CANVAS-Based Coup in Venezuela by useless_aether in Venezuela

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This is a really, really good read. Scratch that, this is really good journalism. Maybe the most insightful thing I've ever come across on r/conspiracy, and from a mod no less. Definitely deserves a cross-post to s/conspiracy. I'm a little suspicious that it hasn't been memory-holed though.

Dr. Jill Stein: "Does Trump want #Venezuela to be another Syria? Civil war going on 8 years has killed 500K people & created over 5M refugees. US taxpayers paid 100s of millions for weapons that went to Al-Qaeda & ISIS. Few in US even know the atrocities we supported in Syria. #HandsOffVenezuela" by JasonCarswell in Venezuela

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The whole mess is being orchestrated by the CIA, both in Syria and Venezuela, and Libya. The CIA was arming and funding ISIS, aka the Syrian rebels, "rebelling" against Assad.

If the US "aid" gets into Venezuela it will be to arm the factions there cooperating with the CIA - much the same as happened in Chile and Argentina in the 1970s.

LOL What is a "moderate" rebel?

I dunno man. They softened Iraq up for a decade between conflicts with lots of evil sanctions between the Gulf War and the Iraq War. Trump wants that black gold and to "just take it".

Venezuela is already taking lots of aid from lots of countries other than the USA and it's minions.

Many think Chavez was poisoned so it's not out of the realm of possibilities. They tried to get Castro for decades. I suspect it's a waiting game.

Dr. Jill Stein: "Does Trump want #Venezuela to be another Syria? Civil war going on 8 years has killed 500K people & created over 5M refugees. US taxpayers paid 100s of millions for weapons that went to Al-Qaeda & ISIS. Few in US even know the atrocities we supported in Syria. #HandsOffVenezuela" by JasonCarswell in Venezuela

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I agree to stay out of Venezuela. But I also disagree with this false equivalency. The "Syrian rebels", as the media used to refer to them back when they were trying to get everyone to go along with this, were already REALLY bad guys. Same with Libya. There was a website, I think it got taken down, but it was like obamassyria.com or something that was up when this whole thing was first kicking off... It showed these guys on video doing horrific things, sawing off live people's heads with a knife, lots of executions, raping, etc.

In Venezuela, there are no significant terrorist groups (unless you count some pretty horrific acts by the government). Certainly there is crime, but that's done for money rather than bloodlust, and those people don't care who wins in any conflict that doesn't directly involve them.

But here's the thing, and this is why our involvement in Venezuela will not be like Syria. WE DO NOT ARM MODERATES. We will not be sending guns to people who aren't killers. We armed the Syrians BECAUSE of their violent proclivities, not despite them.

For Venezuela, the playbook would much more closely resemble Iraq (as in, invasion). But that's not going to happen under Trump I think. He seems to have a distaste for war, unlike his predecessors.

But no amount of aid or intervention is going to help the Venezuelans. To accept outside intervention is to surrender their fate to the will of their rescuers. What they need is a hard turn to capitalism through a sale of state assets and change of laws. And that's not going to happen until Maduro is gone, and Maduro is not leaving without intervention, so..... Assassination maybe? I don't know. It's really a sad situation.

US wants ‘broad’ regime-change coalition on Venezuela – Bolton by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

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The ‘Monroe Doctrine’ was the name given to the US policy of opposing European influence in the Western hemisphere, outlined by President James Monroe in 1823. Since then it has been invoked by John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan to oppose the spread of Communism to Cuba, and drum up support for right-wing Contra rebels in Nicaragua.

Bolton is not the only hardliner in Washington to use similar language to describe the situation in Venezuela. Senate Armed Services Committee chair Jim Inhofe (R-Oklahoma) said last month that the US might have to invade Venezuela if Russia dares set up a military base there or “anywhere in our Hemisphere.”

But it's fine for the US and NATO to have military bases throughout the world, including right up next to Russia.

Perez, Caldera, Chávez, And Maduro: Who Brought Venezuela To The Brink Of Collapse? by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

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second one. capitalism would fail too if constantly sabotaged but of course the international bankers have no reason to do that

Perez, Caldera, Chávez, And Maduro: Who Brought Venezuela To The Brink Of Collapse? by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

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Yea, is it that socialism falls on itself, or that foreign interventions cause collapse? Combination of both? Dominate global capitalism forces non-cooperation with socialist countries?

One thing is for sure is that the dominate capitalistic hegemony tends to take over resources by issuing things like IMF loans and takeover of infrastructure and resources of other countries.

Perez, Caldera, Chávez, And Maduro: Who Brought Venezuela To The Brink Of Collapse? by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

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can't have socialism in one country because the CIA continuously sabotages and coups them. Need perpetual world revolution.

Perez, Caldera, Chávez, And Maduro: Who Brought Venezuela To The Brink Of Collapse? by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

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Forbes article

To be fair, the collapse in oil prices had a devastating effect on every major oil producing nation. But they were amplified in the case of Venezuela, according to Zitelmann.

“While this would have caused a predicament for any oil-producing nation, these problems were amplified in a country with an extremely inefficient socialist economy and strict price controls,” he notes. “The fatal effects of Chávez’s socialist policies became obvious once and for all and the entire system fell apart. As had become evident in other countries, it was apparent that, far from being an efficient means to fight inflation, price controls only make things worse.”

Bernie Repeats CIA Talking Points On Venezuela by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

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true libs at wsws correctly say bernie is a sellout

Bernie Repeats CIA Talking Points On Venezuela by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

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Bernie is Wolf Blitzer's twin.

Bernie Repeats CIA Talking Points On Venezuela by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

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His foreign policy hasn't really changed. He's just getting more scrutiny.

MoA - Trump Likes 'Beautiful' Border Walls - Venezuela Should Build Him One by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

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Page 136 of McCabe's new book, recounting a 2017 Oval Office meeting: "Then the president talked about Venezuela. That’s the country we should be going to war with, he said. They have all that oil and they’re right on our back door."

Venezuela is not in need of U.S. aid. It is need of an end to the economic sanctions that put it under a medieval siege. There is no current lack of food or medicine like in Yemen though some products may run short.

The UN, the Red Cross and Caritas already have aid distribution projects within Venezuela. They reject the U.S. aid delivery as a political stunt. The International Committee of the Red Cross recently doubled its budget for Venezuela to $18 million and is ready to provide more. Last week 933 tonnes of medicines from Cuba and China arrived. Another 300 tons from Russia is supposed to arrive today.

Sanders, Harris weigh in on Venezuela, call for restraint from Maduro by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

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While Venezuela is not sufferinng a humanitarian crisis:

Sanders said Venezuela was experiencing “a serious humanitarian crisis,” appearing to take a tougher line against Maduro after previously drawing criticism from Florida Democrats for declining to label the South American strongman as a dictator.

“The people of Venezuela are enduring a serious humanitarian crisis,” Sanders wrote on Twitter. “The Maduro government must put the needs of its people first, allow humanitarian aid into the country, and refrain from violence against protesters.”

Venezuela gasoline prices, 11-Feb-2019 | GlobalPetrolPrices.com by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

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Venezuela: The price of gasoline is 0.01 U.S. Dollar per liter. For comparison, the average price of gasoline in the world for this period is 1.09 U.S. Dollar. The chart below shows the price of gasoline in the country relative to other countries.

Correcting The False Narrative On Venezuela & Humanitarian Aid by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

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“I have compared the statistics of Venezuela with that of other countries and there is no humanitarian crisis, of course there is scarcity, anxiety and shortages but those who have worked for decades for the United Nations and know the situation of countries in Asia, Africa and some of America, know that the situation in Venezuela is not a humanitarian crisis,” then UN Independent Expert on the Promotion of a Democratic & Equitable International Order, Alfred De Zayas, February 20, 2018

U.S. looking for ways to get aid into Venezuela: envoy - Stockpiling goods on Columbian border in anticipation of collapse - Maduro insists his country is not suffering a humanitarian crisis by magnora7 in Venezuela

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I agree there's more groups other than the US that can solve it, this is obviously a "foot-in-the-door" type of situation where they're hoping the bring the new coup in to the fold of US-approved politics, and drag the Venezuelan public along.

If the US govt really cared about humanitarian crises, they'd call in the Army Corps of Engineers and fix Detroit's public water system that is broken and full of lead. But of course it's not about helping people, it's about getting political points so they can push their profitable policies over the largest number of people in the world.

U.S. looking for ways to get aid into Venezuela: envoy - Stockpiling goods on Columbian border in anticipation of collapse - Maduro insists his country is not suffering a humanitarian crisis by magnora7 in Venezuela

[–]fred_red_beans 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

While it is fair to argue that someone does not like Maduro or agree with how the Maduro government operates, the assertion that Venezuela is suffering a humanitarian crisis that can only be solved if US aid gets in is dis-information.

Correcting The False Narrative On Venezuela & Humanitarian Aid:

The U.S. government, corporate media, and NGOs interested in regime change repeatedly claim there is a humanitarian crisis in Venezuela. This is not new; this narrative has been pushed since at least 2016.

However, the economic situation in Venezuela does not reach the scope of a humanitarian crisis

According to a 2019 UN Food and Agriculture Organization Report, the percentage of undernourished people in Venezuela is 11.7%. For the sake of comparison, the average undernourishment is 23.2% in Sub-Saharan Africa, 31.4% in Eastern Africa, 14.8% in Southern Asia, 14.5% in Central Asia and 16.5% in the Caribbean.

In 1999, food security was worse in Venezuela than it is now - Why was there no push to bring aid to Venezuelans in the 1990s, when things were clearly worse?

A humanitarian crisis can be used as an excuse to intervene militarily. This has been the explicit posture of the U.S. since at least 2015, when then head of U.S. Southern Command, General John Kelly (later White House Chief of Staff when President Trump first threatened Venezuela with military force), warned of U.S. intervention regarding Venezuela’s “humanitarian crisis… we could react to that only if we were asked to do it.”

CLAPs – Local Committees for Supply and Production This program involves grassroots-organized communities who produce or receive food and then distribute it regularly and directly to 6 million families at zero to low cost. For a sense of scale, keep in mind that Venezuela is a country of 30 million people.

The United States is offering $20 million in aid – 60 tons of food. To compare, in 2017 the CLAP program distributed 42,000 tons of food per month. It has only grown since then.

The Maduro government has been holding talks with the ICRC, the United Nations, and the World Health Organization to receive medical supplies and finance agricultural projects

Correcting The False Narrative On Venezuela & Humanitarian Aid by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]fred_red_beans[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The United States is offering $20 million in aid – 60 tons of food. To compare, in 2017 the CLAP program distributed 42,000 tons of food per month. It has only grown since then.

U.S. looking for ways to get aid into Venezuela: envoy - Stockpiling goods on Columbian border in anticipation of collapse - Maduro insists his country is not suffering a humanitarian crisis by magnora7 in Venezuela

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep.

Also, 'world police' is a euphemism for; invading resource robbery racket.

U.S. looking for ways to get aid into Venezuela: envoy - Stockpiling goods on Columbian border in anticipation of collapse - Maduro insists his country is not suffering a humanitarian crisis by magnora7 in Venezuela

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Iraq and Afghanistan were liberated too.

Their is much to look forward to...

U.S. looking for ways to get aid into Venezuela: envoy - Stockpiling goods on Columbian border in anticipation of collapse - Maduro insists his country is not suffering a humanitarian crisis by magnora7 in Venezuela

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The International community said something about giving Maduro an ultimatum for the humanitarian aid to get inside the country on the 23rd. I'm not sure what will happen after that, but giving a little reason to the socialists, I hope the US doesn't ends up going trigger happy. I'm hoping for something like 2002's rebellion to repeat itself eventually.

"The Making of Juan Guaidó: How the US Regime Change Laboratory Created Venezuela’s Coup Leader" by Dan Cohen and Max Blumenthal (2019-01-29) - Juan Guaidó is the product of a decade-long project overseen by Washington’s elite regime change trainers. by JasonCarswell in Venezuela

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I agree to 100% disagree about it being "socialist anti-American propaganda". Blumenthal is legit.

Jesuits are suspect tho.

"The Making of Juan Guaidó: How the US Regime Change Laboratory Created Venezuela’s Coup Leader" by Dan Cohen and Max Blumenthal (2019-01-29) - Juan Guaidó is the product of a decade-long project overseen by Washington’s elite regime change trainers. by JasonCarswell in Venezuela

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Man that was long and weird as hell. It's fine to be paranoid about all politicians, but this just looks like socialist anti-American propaganda to me.

The thing that makes me paranoid about Guaidó is the fact that he came from the Andres Bello Catholic University. Which is run by Jesuits, which could mean that Guaidó himself might be an apprentice of the Jesuits. The same goes for Maria Corina which is a shame because she is one of the few politicians I like... But for the sake of honesty I still have to be paranoid about her.

Maria Gabriela, the daughter of Chavez the richest woman of Venezuela? by HibikiBlack in Venezuela

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes she did. A long time ago she started an outlet store in a forgotten strip mall and built up her absolutely fabulous fashion empire selling... bootstraps.

Maria Gabriela, the daughter of Chavez the richest woman of Venezuela? by HibikiBlack in Venezuela

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I bet she got it all by working really hard...

Venezuela Article 233 by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

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A Google translate of Article 233:

Absolute faults of the President of the Republic: his death, his resignation, or his dismissal decreed by a sentence of the Supreme Court of Justice; his permanent physical or mental incapacity certified by a medical board appointed by the Supreme Court of Justice and with the approval of the National Assembly; the abandonment of the office, declared as such by the National Assembly, as well as the popular revocation of his mandate. When there is an absolute lack of the President-elect or President-elect before taking office, a new universal, direct and secret election shall be held within the following thirty consecutive days. While the new President or the new President is elected and takes office, the President of the National Assembly will be in charge of the Presidency of the Republic. If the absolute lack of the President or the President of the Republic occurs during the first four years of the constitutional term, a new universal, direct and secret election shall be held within the following thirty consecutive days. While the new President or the new President is elected and takes office, the Executive Vice President or Executive Vice President will be in charge of the Presidency of the Republic. In the previous cases, the new President will complete the corresponding constitutional period. If the absolute lack occurs during the last two years of the constitutional term, the Executive Vice President or the Executive Vice President will assume the Presidency of the Republic until the end of that period.

Backed by UNSC? 5 moments from Guaido’s interview with RT that don’t quite add up by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

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Article 233:

Absolute faults of the President of the Republic: his death, his resignation, or his dismissal decreed by a sentence of the Supreme Court of Justice; his permanent physical or mental incapacity certified by a medical board appointed by the Supreme Court of Justice and with the approval of the National Assembly; the abandonment of the office, declared as such by the National Assembly, as well as the popular revocation of his mandate. When there is an absolute lack of the President-elect or President-elect before taking office, a new universal, direct and secret election shall be held within the following thirty consecutive days. While the new President or the new President is elected and takes office, the President of the National Assembly will be in charge of the Presidency of the Republic. If the absolute lack of the President or the President of the Republic occurs during the first four years of the constitutional term, a new universal, direct and secret election shall be held within the following thirty consecutive days. While the new President or the new President is elected and takes office, the Executive Vice President or Executive Vice President will be in charge of the Presidency of the Republic. In the previous cases, the new President will complete the corresponding constitutional period. If the absolute lack occurs during the last two years of the constitutional term, the Executive Vice President or the Executive Vice President will assume the Presidency of the Republic until the end of that period.

Backed by UNSC? 5 moments from Guaido’s interview with RT that don’t quite add up by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

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Juan Guaido strongly maintained that he took on the role of the 'interim president' based on Article 233 of the constitution. He claimed he had to do so due to the "lack of elections" as the opposition deems the presidential vote last May illegitimate. Back then, Maduro received nearly 68 percent of the votes.

The Article 233 lays out specific reasons for dismissing the president, such as poor mental or physical health, or a verdict from the nation's highest court, and doesn't directly mention elections.

‘Second you contradict the narrative, they threaten to kill you' – US journo on Venezuelan protests by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

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Thanks I forgot about Venezuela, police are yellow vesting? Too much goes wrong when people aren't self sufficient and rely on production feeds.

Did Venezuela’s President Really ‘Steal’ the 2018 Election from an Unknown Who Didn’t Run? by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

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No, there is no contradiction. The economic sanctions of the US have been minimal and have mostly focused on freezing the goods the socialists have at the big bad empire. Even right now with the Guaidó thing, the US is only pushing for more sanctions against the communist bank accounts and properties over there. The crisis of the country was caused by the bapthist godfather of Chavez, Caldera causing a banking crisis, Chavez himself wasting the oil boom and his spiritual son Maduro. The country was quickly recovering before all of this with Carlos Andres until Chavez tried his coup attemps in 1992 in which a lot of civilians lost their lives.

OK, that's your perspective on things.

That's it, you are either incredibly ignorant of Venezuelan history in general, are a socialist yourself or are a shill of sorts.

This is an attack the poster rather than refuting the information and is low on the debate pyramid.

I've seen some great posts from you on saidit. I think everyone has different perspectives and it's to all of our advantage if we can agree to disagree on the things we disagree on and just post supporting information.

I think for Tom and myself, we see the situation in Venezuela differently than you do. I think we'd be best off if we can accept that and just post information so that we can learn more about each others perspective rather than bringing the discussion down.

Did Venezuela’s President Really ‘Steal’ the 2018 Election from an Unknown Who Didn’t Run? by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sure. Internal politics are trivial.

Here's some real history.

Here's the future for Venezuela.
*Iraq.
* Lybia.
* Vietnam.
*Syria (mostly).
* Nicaragua.
* Honduras.
* El Salvador.
* Chile.
* I haven't ran out of ruined nations. I could go on.

The guy who advocates for the invasion of his county and embraces a foreign coup; is making arguments about ignorance. Sure.

Also, you didn't answer my question earlier. It seems to me that you are advocating for treason. I could be mistaken. If I am mistaken, then please remind me how advocating for the invasion of Venezuela by a forign power and a coup; is not considered advocating for treason..

Did Venezuela’s President Really ‘Steal’ the 2018 Election from an Unknown Who Didn’t Run? by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

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OK, well you can be mad about it or we can agree to disagree.

Did Venezuela’s President Really ‘Steal’ the 2018 Election from an Unknown Who Didn’t Run? by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

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I think labeling someone a Maduro apologist amounts to name calling.

I do not believe there is a correlation between being a socialist and being corrupt, although it does sound like corruption is rampant on all around in Venezuela. So you think the Venezuelan elections are bullshit, I don't see how a US led election after a unconstitutional coup could be more legitimate. US elections are some of the worst in the world.

Did Venezuela’s President Really ‘Steal’ the 2018 Election from an Unknown Who Didn’t Run? by fred_red_beans in Venezuela

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I sure as hell know a lot more about Venezuelan laws than what you do. Here is one for example, according to our constitution, the Vice President can't run for presidential elections after the president is gone for whatever reason. Guess what Maduro was before he became president... That's right, he was Vice President. So that means that even if he fairly won the elections with 30 million votes, the whole process is a FRAUD. Maduro has been absolute dictator ever since 2013.

Add the whole thing about him having Colombian nationality and things get even more messy. Guaidó became our president 100% legally by using the art.233 of the constitution. What the US itself thinks is irrelevant. This is what the Venezuelan laws dictate. The more I talk with you guys the more you look like Maduro apologists to me.