LOL WUTThe pro-gender identity theory article accompanying Richard Dawkins’ gender critical article is insane

submitted by ClassroomPast6178 from web.archive.org

all 29 comments
sorted by:
top
newinsightfulfun

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (11 children)

In fact, the term “female”, as distinct from women, has its own tale. As the New York Magazine critic Andrea Long Chu has written in her book Females (2019), the biological category “female”, as it is understood today, was developed in the 19th century as a way of referring to black slaves. A female black slave was someone refused “the status of social and legal personhood”. To that extent, Chu observes, “a female has always been less than a person”. To assume that “female” is a neutral biological category is, therefore, historically naive and racially blind. It not only drastically limits the options, but trails ugly histories behind it. The point is not to deny biological difference, but to refuse to wrench the term from the historical forces through which it takes on its myriad lived shapes.

[–]bife_de_lomo 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

They really will say any old shit, won't they?

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

When you claim that logic, reason and rationality are tools of the white-supremacist cisheteropatriarchy it doesn’t leave a whole lot of tools in the toolbox with which to make arguments.

[–]OuroborosTheory 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

and then yell "this is not up for DEBATE"

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, Stonewall managed to get everyone playing along with that nugget of shite - and then when the sheer nonsense started being reported they tried to gaslight everyone into thinking it was all right-wing lies.

[–]cephyrious 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The latin word femella, meaning girl, had nothing to do with it! Also, the Romans started the white supremacy contagion anyway!

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Romans 👏 owned 👏 slaves 👏

Romans were better at it though. They didn't have stupid racialist ideas on who could be slaves or not. Why can't I have a white slave? Black Africans did it.

Also the Romans had these cool ass sporting events where they'd have their slaves fight each other and wild animals to the death. What does America have on that? Women's soccer?

[–]OuroborosTheory 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

they even derived the term "slave" from Slavs to diminish the harm done to Foundational Americans!

[–]clownworlddropout 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

What the actual fuck? This is like watching an ideology have an epileptic fit...

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Blacks invented sexual biomorphism as their glorious queer rebellion against the neutronarchy.

[–]bucetao6969Ace Spectrum 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Female is offensive because uhmmmm racism? Ok stop using female!"

[–]JulienMayfair 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Being tired of this was one reason why I left academia. They use intelligent-sounding language to make the most idiotic claims and then act like they have some deep insight into culture and history that the rest of us lack. In reality, they're making most of it up, and cherry-picking whatever actual facts they reference.

[–]UncleWillard56 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I couldn't even read past that first line. They're not excluded, they're included, just not as special as they want to be.

Gender is based on biological sex and to say any different excludes evolutionary biology as a whole, including the idea of gender dysphoria. Saying "gender is a construct" is nonsense and putting the cart before the horse. We were mammals before we were human beings and all mammals have two biological sexes because our biological imperative is reproduction. The gender roles came out of that first and foremost. Everything else may be due to society (like girls wear pink and boys wear blue (which used to be the opposite until a 1940's marketing campaign)), but at it's core, gender is about biological sex. The construct is the 72 genders, trans, non-binary and otherkin.

[–]filbs111 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Humans live to fight another day. ChatGPT is going to need a few more updates before it can hope to generate a wall of text as incomprehensible.

[–]Existak 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How many updates till ChatGPT turns into the Puppet Master from Ghost in the Shell?

[–]OuroborosTheory 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

hembras y varones

[–]bucetao6969Ace Spectrum 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Remember: Non-binary is a identity you have to embrace by yourself within the binary world. It doesn't mean you get to say everyone else is not binary.

Also thanks for using archive so they don't get any clicks.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

If sex is binary, which it is, non-binary cannot exist.

You’re either male or female, there’s no inbetween state of sex. Even people with ambiguous genitalia are either male or female, they’re not some magical third sex or non-sex.

It’s time to stop humouring the lunatics, we do not have to participate or go along with their delusions.

[–]bucetao6969Ace Spectrum 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I do get behind non-binary if we're talking man and woman strictly on the idea of gender roles. So someone that is born either a male or female wants to be a thing that doesn't fall into either category of the gender roles of womanhood or manhood.... simply not-binary.

But alas they're making it so it's part of the trans umbrella now which adds it to all that woke nonsense. I find it hard to support these people when they complicate simple things.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That is just gender non-conforming, not a new super special identity.

No need to invent a new category and invent languages and flags and demand rights and groups. Just wear your dress or whatever and get on with it, Boy George was doing it in the 80s and Bowie did it in the 70s. The trouble is they want special treatment.

[–]bucetao6969Ace Spectrum 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The trouble is they want special treatment.

I agree. But if you're friends with a non-binary person, it doesn't hurt for you to use a language that they prefer you using. The thing I dislike is special treatment and they demanding society as a whole change. But they have their own special groups and you have to abide by their rules on these groups and there's no problem with that as long as they don't try to do what they're doing now. That's how I see it.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hmmm. Trouble is, humour them socially and then they will demand policy changes and changes in law.

So nope.

[–]bucetao6969Ace Spectrum 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I agree with ya there. I tend to avoid interaction with them. But who knows if they're not a nuisance and they're someone I require interacting with maybe I'll go along with their fantasies assuming it's not exhausting for myself.

[–]Wanderingthehalls 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Pretty much everyone is non-binary. I'm not sure if there has ever really been anyone who adheres to every single gender norm and stereotype of their sex. I'm non-binary, you're non-binary, my kid is non-binary, my mother is non-binary. Everyone's mother is/was non-binary. Everyone's father is/was non-binary It's not special, we all do it to some degree. If anyone is special it would be the people who are 100% binary. They should get a flag.

[–]bucetao6969Ace Spectrum 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

From what I understand non-binary people are the ones who make an active effort to get rid of every single gender norm.

[–]Wanderingthehalls 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I know a few women who identify as non-binary. They basically get short haircuts in styles women have worn for half a century. The kind that tend to require more styling effort than longer hair. That's it. I have more 'masculine' traits than all the NBs I know. Both through natural biological tendencies and through social/cultural preferences. It's nothing more than a fashion. This generation's mod/rocker/goth/emo. We just live in a time where most clothing styles are pretty much normal, so people who want to stand out as different, need to go beyond a style of dress.

[–]bucetao6969Ace Spectrum 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That's it. I have more 'masculine' traits than all the NBs I know

Technically they want to be neither masculine nor feminine so a short hair style would be very effective

[–]Wanderingthehalls 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No they don't. They either just want to stand out as something special without putting in the effort of being something special. Or they are going through some sort of upset and they latch onto the idea of being nb as a band-aid.

[–]bucetao6969Ace Spectrum 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm being optimistic here. Of course some are using non-binary as a sort of emo. But from what I've seen there are people who genuinely just want to get rid of gender roles altogether.