So, what's behind the social contagion of men going trans?

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There's a pattern where a lot of them seem to do it in their middle age, especially to avoid responsibility (i.e. having children or wife).

If we also add to that the failed male athletes and the fact most AGPs, despite being grownass adults, call themselves "girls", what can we assume?

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[–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

We're not allowed to bully people anymore, so degeneracy isn't being kept in check.

[–]jet199 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Most troons were likely the bullies

[–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Most troons are the bullies now.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

No offense but that sounds like an awful morality. Are you a bully?

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

No I'd agree with the basic idea of this but I think bullying is the wrong word. It's more like the definition of bullying has been greatly expanded to include not only cruel harassment with is unequivocally wrong, but also to include expressions of disapproval, or negative social feedback, as bullying.

Go look at the kind of anti-bullying stuff you saw them promoting in schools a decade ago attempting to socially engineer out basic human interactions like simply not wanting to eat with another kid at lunch. Sure sometimes that can be a cruel form of bullying, but the system is blind to the children's reasoning and prefers a prescriptive approach that sees the not eating together as the problem and not the reason why they aren't eating together as the potential problem.

If you're some weird kid that likes to talk about inappropriate sexual stuff that makes other kids uncomfortable, you'll get negative social feedback like , ridicule, isolation, etc, and you'll learn not to do that.

If you don't have that negative social feedback because the institution has gone on some cuckoo plan to engineer it out, the kids won't learn and will become awkward unlikable adults.

[–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Couldn't have said that better myself. And to answer Vulptex's question, I'm not at all a bully. But to Alienhunter's point, I think the fear of being bullied kept people in check far more than the number of cases of actually being bullied ever did. That's gone now and I don't think we're better off for it, even if I would never have participated in it.

[–]QueenBread[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'll say my opinion on this. Bullying people who are degenerates, well, I'd be 100% on board with. But, see, the problem is that bullying is usually doing BY the degenerates. In middle schools, the soon-to-be-doctor nerd is mocked and humiliated by the soon-to-be dropout bully just for being intelligent. Now, sane people are mocked by TRAs for making sense. Bullying doesn't work because it tends to always work in reverse. The worst people bullying the best ones because they stand out.

[–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bullying is still happening, but as you say, it's now a far more 'mean girl' type of bullying mostly perpetrated in the open by the hardcore intersectionalists. I think bullying is perversely necessary however for just the reason you illustrate. It's an important way for one to build resilience, even if it's unpleasant.

[–]Conqueeftador 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. I have a school-aged child and the fact that they're trying to remove the right for kids to refuse unwanted contact is extremely troubling. I grew up in the 80s and 90s and there actually wasn't a lot of real bullying back then, at least not in any of the schools I went to. We had fights and cliques, but very rarely was any one person singled out and bullied. Usually we stood up for bullied kids on our own without any teacher intervention, but the weird kids just didn't have many friends and there was often a good reason for that. I tried to befriend one once and quickly found out why she always ate lunch alone when she started wiping boogers on my shirt. It was okay to simply dislike and avoid kids who made us uncomfortable. This social system worked very well, by high school most of the weird kids had learned to act normal enough to make friends and grow up into functional adults. Bullying is wrong, but normal negative feedback plays a crucial role in curtailing antisocial and harmful behaviors. It also helps identify kids who need help- if nobody wants to be friends with one kid cause he smells or tries to touch everyone, there's probably something going on at home that needs looking into. We're really not doing the weird kids any favors by forcing the other kids to play with them.

[–]Dzonatan 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Replace the word bully with the word stigmatization or mockery and suddenly the morality is not so awful.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

That's also awful

[–]Dzonatan 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So what's your alternative? Put up with behaviour sink? Before you open up with "Have a talk with them first" you need to be aware that some people glee at the fact that the worst you're going to do to them is give them stern choice of words.

Mind you, I'm not a fan of it either but there's a reason why humans react so well to punishments and rewards.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Why must we control every minute detail of everyone's lives?

[–]Dzonatan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

We don't need to. We need to control those who cant control themselves.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Which you define as those who don't agree with you and act like you in every way.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

It’s not a social contagion in men. It’s all the closeted transvestites and AGPs suddenly finding themselves able to do it outside the bedroom and getting love bombed for it.

They were always there but they kept that shit to themselves, because shame used to be a thing. In trying to destigmatise being gay, we over corrected and let all the shameful shit out of Pandora’s box of horrors - and troonery was amongst them.

Dan Savage used to regularly caution that male sexuality is literally unhinged, and that the thing that kept men in line was women, look at the difference in behaviour between gay men and straight men, gay men have waaaay more sex with randoms (my gay friend just uses Grindr, and has a new guy every weekend).

It was probably a massive mistake to stop kinkshaming.

It’s also important to remember that the internet and media amplify this shit, there aren’t nearly as many troons as it feels like there is, they’re just very loud, annoying and in some cases dangerous.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

More misandry, of course. Men have to be a certain way or else they're bad, and even if they meet those ridiculous standards they're still bad. While women are angels and allowed to be whoever they want.

[–]iamonlyoneman 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

faggy hands typed that comment LOL

[–]wylanderuk 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Its not a social contagion for men by the looks of it, for the most part that is.

Most likely its just expression of AGP or someone finally doing what they want to or pervs being pervs.

From what I understand the MTF rates are still fairly static, FTM rates however have jumped through the roof.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's because all of society is going back to old-school gender roles in attempt to justify troon logic. Tomboys and ladyboys aren't accepted anymore.

[–]iamonlyoneman 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The science was done on this by a shrink who saw these guys in his practice and described the phenomenon before he was canceled for pointing otu the truth. There are almost exactly only two classes of guys who troon out:

  • Homosexuals who hate they are, for whatever reason, gay, and decide consciously or not that it's better to be a woman and
  • Autogynephiles who have a powerful paraphilia. these ones are, by the way, these days, all led down the road to traindom from sissy and hypno porn, with a strong, frequent incidence of furry porn along the way also.

There's some overlap but that's pretty much the whole story.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

It's porn. It's less a social contagion and more so a bunch of feticists that are chasing the dragon so to speak egging each other on online.

COVID lockdowns just exasperated the situation since it removed everyone from "real life" for an extended period of time.

[–]QueenBread[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Ok, but if it's porn, then why so many men are specifically into the idea of being women?

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Dunno. I'm not sure why any fetishes exist. And I very much doubt you'll ever be able to figure out a singular cause.

I would expect that it is some kind of pavlovian response. There's some academic research on it. Blanchard I believe studied this specifically and coined the "autogynophilia" term.

Its existed in some form in the past but seems to have been limited. I actually don't think it's all that common, but it's common enough that we aren't talking about, one in a billion people, but maybe something like one in a thousand. After that I think it simply progresses much the way any kind of sex addiction, or addiction in general progresses.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Because in straight porn the woman is the object of desire and the man is just an appendage.

So even though porn seem very antiwoman if men watch too much it teaches them they have to be a woman to matter, get attention and love.

Plenty of men on saidit have clearly been infected with that mind virus but I bet not one will admit being a porn addict.

[–]QueenBread[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The solution: porn where the male body of the straight couple is the center of the attention. Awesome! Wait, they would consider it "gay" even when it's a straight couple, because it focuses on the man? Well, then these dipshits created the problem themselves.

[–]LyingSpirit472 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

As far as a serious reason it seems to happen in middle age, the most likely reason would stem from: It's not talked about nearly as much as menopause is, but middle age is when men's testosterone levels drop significantly as well. There's already been connections that low natal testosterone can cause men to get gender dysphoria, so that could lead to more men who's testosterone is dropping with middle age becoming trans.

[–]TitsAndWhiskeyPronoun: My Nigga 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

My T levels have dropped pretty significantly over the past year, and I haven’t had the urge to put on a dress.

Hopefully I can get it corrected before I go full troon.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The TRAs have you confused. The desire to wear a dress isn't inherent to being female or having more female-typical hormones. But they force the narrative to say it is so they can say transvestism and AGP are the same as being MtF.

[–]TitsAndWhiskeyPronoun: My Nigga 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bit of a joke, mate.

[–]NastyWetSmear 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Oh God! It's too late! Look, your pants already match your eyes!!

[–]iamonlyoneman 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wrong. It's AGP brought on by too much porn. They're coombrains.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Probably the fact that men are still held to outrageous gender role standards by society, while women generally aren't. Men still have to be the provider and protector, men still have to act manly and tough and show no emotion and no weakness. Women wearing pants is now normal, but imagine what happens when a guy dresses "girly". Girls doing sports is now normal, but most parents would beat their son to a pulp if they caught him playing with "girl" toys, and so would his peers. We still save women from danger before men. Circumcising girls is seen as horrific, yet we're perfectly fine with doing it to newborn boys. A woman can now choose any lifestyle she wants and it's her right, but a man is always expected to be the breadwinner and work a 9-5 job. There are tons of organizations dedicated to helping women who are homeless, divorced, have cancer or health problems, are depressed, have mental health issues, etc., but men are not generally allowed the same. We've made lots of progress on liberating women from gender double standards, but not men.

Most men are part of the problem. They for some reason either don't care or even want it to be this way. Contrary to popular belief, I think most judgemental attitudes toward the gender atypical come from the same gender. So most of the people who bully unmasculine men will be men, and most of the people who bully unfeminine women will be women. It's that innate desire to pick on everyone who is different.

Additionally, there's similar contagions as for FtMs. TRAs have people confused into thinking gender=gender roles. Because of that, regular ladyboys and tomboys will think they're trans because they don't "act like a guy/girl". It's no wonder this whole "social construct" thing confuses people, because it's completely made up.

[–]QueenBread[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

Probably the fact that men are still held to outrageous gender role standards by society, while women generally aren't.

You've got to be shitting me.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

Women are allowed to do both manly and girly things. Imagine what happens if a man does anything the least bit unmanly.

[–]QueenBread[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Women are allowed to do both manly and girly things.

Only a man would speak like this, not having any idea about what it's like to be a woman. I've had gender dysphoria all my life precisely for thinking and behaving in a way that is not "girly".

Also, where's the men not allowed to be unmanly? Men in drag are literally the most celebrated.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

Well, I'll say this. Women definitely are punished for not acting womanly, you're right about that. But it's not even close to the opposite, at least on a systemic scale. I know some female social circles can be incredibly mean to those who don't fit in.

Also, that's not gender dysphoria. That's internalized misogyny, one of the many reasons people mistakenly transition only to find themselves trying to detrans later. It works both ways. Drag is "celebrated" precisely because it's seen as "queer" and exotic. Whereas women wearing any type of clothes is just normal.

[–]QueenBread[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Being allowed to wear pants and have short hair is not the equality win you think it is. Pants aren't inherently masculine, and in fact, pants for women usually are made to highlight their butts, while men's pants certainly don't. So.... a woman wearing pants and having short hair is STILL dressed in a feminine way, just like a Scottish with a kilt or a Japanese samurai in a kimono are still definitely male-coded.

Both genders have it hard if they defy stereotyped gender roles, but if a man defies conventional masculinity he is hated by many other men...... if a woman defies conventional masculinity she is hated by many other men and women.

Many girls, at least a good 50% of them, don't have innate femininity in their movements or behaviour. They learn them as they grow up. When I was in middle school I had excellent grades and I rocked it at the annual school theater performance, but nobody really cared, while my mediocre friend with mediocre school grades was constantly praised by the teachers because she improvised a sexualized pop music group with other classmates. When I cosplay, if I wear some complex badass outfit I am appreciated, but if I wear some simple random skimpy bikini I get more attention.

Girls eventually learn to fit in. I did, to the point that when I told a friend of mine about my gender dysphoria, he didn't believe me. He sees me with long nails, make up, pretty clothes, and he doesn't believe I'm dysphoric. Well, some of us learn to perform femininity, perhaps because we aren't brave enough to keep defying gender norms when our childhood teaches us it's not rewarded. Doesn't mean we like it.

Sorry about this personal rant!

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

if a woman defies conventional masculinity she is hated by many other men and women

Is she? Men only seem to care about men not acting like men. In fact most men would be thrilled if women acted less "girly", and in fact that's probably the biggest reason they still have any anti-woman bias. Women act like that to please their girl friends, not their husbands and employers. I think people try to enforce their own gender's roles, and this comes from tribalism being instilled at an early age.

Many girls, at least a good 50% of them, don't have innate femininity in their movements or behaviour. They learn them as they grow up.

From the other girls. Because they'll be relentlessly bullied if they don't. How is that the fault of men?

When I cosplay, if I wear some complex badass outfit I am appreciated

At least you're appreciated. You know what would happen if I did the equivalent? I would probably be killed.

but if I wear some simple random skimpy bikini I get more attention

Those are designed to make you look "sexy", of course it's going to get you attention.

Girls eventually learn to fit in. I did, to the point that when I told a friend of mine about my gender dysphoria, he didn't believe me. He sees me with long nails, make up, pretty clothes, and he doesn't believe I'm dysphoric. Well, some of us learn to perform femininity, perhaps because we aren't brave enough to keep defying gender norms when our childhood teaches us it's not rewarded. Doesn't mean we like it.

Again, definitely not gender dysphoria, and it's not men making you act like that. I don't know any women who actually like acting like a doll, no matter how much they pretend to; it's some sort of cult-like initiation to join "the girls". If you had gender dysphoria you'd be praying to switch sexes whether you like their "roles" or not.

[–]QueenBread[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Men only seem to care about men not acting like men. In fact most men would be thrilled if women acted less "girly"

BULLSHIT. Let me tell you again: COMPLETE BULLSHIT. I have first-hand experience with this. No, buddy, men do NOT like women who don't act feminine. And men do NOT like nerd women either. They may like the anime nerd girl, but in reality, if a woman is in their hobby, they tend to feel awkward about it. Sometimes even challenged.

So, quit that crap. You have no idea how much tomboy nerds HATE IT when coomers say they wish they'd have a nerdy tomboy girlfriend, except they don't.

At least you're appreciated. You know what would happen if I did the equivalent? I would probably be killed.

Ah yes, so oppressed. Male cosplayers don't exist.

Again, definitely not gender dysphoria, and it's not men making you act like that. I don't know any women who actually like acting like a doll, no matter how much they pretend to; it's some sort of cult-like initiation to join "the girls". If you had gender dysphoria you'd be praying to switch sexes whether you like their "roles" or not.

But gender dysphoria at its core is about hating your gender role. Well, or sometimes about getting turned on by imagining yourself at the other sex?

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

And men do NOT like nerd women either.

I don't think the masses like nerds of either gender.

if a woman is in their hobby, they tend to feel awkward about it. Sometimes even challenged.

It's unusual, that's why.

You have no idea how much tomboy nerds HATE IT when coomers say they wish they'd have a nerdy tomboy girlfriend, except they don't.

No, not like that.

Ah yes, so oppressed. Male cosplayers don't exist.

But it's called cosplaying and not considered normal.

But gender dysphoria at its core is about hating your gender role.

No it isn't. That's what the sexist TRA-controlled media says, and if you believe that it's no wonder you hate trans people. No. Remember how you felt when you started puberty, how you were scared whether you'd like how your body and even mind is changing? Well, imagine if it really did end up not working for you. Imagine that feeling never ever went away. Imagine the hormones you're getting just don't jive with you. And imagine you've been wanting opposite-sex features your whole life, often before even realizing they're sexually dimorphic traits. That's dysphoria. It would exist regardless of society, sexism, gender roles, etc. The people who say otherwise and claim it's not an illness are "queer" snowflakes who want an excuse to be trans so they can be special, and not be an "evil" normal person.

[–]QueenBread[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

No it isn't. That's what the sexist TRA-controlled media says, and if you believe that it's no wonder you hate trans people. No. Remember how you felt when you started puberty, how you were scared whether you'd like how your body and even mind is changing? Well, imagine if it really did end up not working for you. Imagine that feeling never ever went away. Imagine the hormones you're getting just don't jive with you. And imagine you've been wanting opposite-sex features your whole life, often before even realizing they're sexually dimorphic traits. That's dysphoria.

Yeah, that's exactly how I've felt, even BEFORE puberty. Since I was a little child I always wanted to be male.

So, fuck off. I know your stupid mind works in labels and thus can't comprehend that a woman can be feminine and hate the idea of transexuality - but still be heavily dysphoric.

[–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is pretty insightful. I don't agree with this part though:

most parents would beat their son to a pulp if they caught him playing with "girl" toys

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe that's an exaggeration, but you get the point

[–]Adventurous_Ad6212 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

why do you care you hate men so you should be happy they are destroying themselves.

[–]QueenBread[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Show me one example where I said I hate men. Men, mind you, not incels. Let's not offend men by assuming all of them are retarded mysoginist dipshits.

Or do you think that when I am angry at mysoginist dipshits, I am angry at men? Wow. Someone here does hate men and it's not me....

[–]Adventurous_Ad6212 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

you don't have to outright say it. Every post you make screams of your hatred for men.

[–]QueenBread[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You still haven't pointed to a single post where I hate on men. Plenty of poste where I hate on mysoginists tho. So, you think all men are mysoginists? Then you hate men.

[–]wylanderuk 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Any man that disagrees with you ends being called an incel or mysoginist which proves their point.

[–]QueenBread[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oh yeah? Well, tell me on WHAT they disagreed with me. Let's find out. Come on. Show me on what they disagreed with me. Because turns out I called incel mysoginists people who made incel mysoginist comments.

[–]wylanderuk 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well in my case I pointed out in my opinion anybody that is promiscuous is probably a bad relationship prospect, be it a man or a woman.

Not that they are bad people, just probably bad relationship risks.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If they could just do it more quietly that would be very convenient.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Porn, men repressing their nasty male sexuality rather than managing it, cluster b personality disorders from poor parenting, autists living in the community rather than in institutions, boredom ,social isolation, decadence.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

autists living in the community rather than in institutions

Uhh...excuse me?

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    [–]QueenBread[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (20 children)

    So, these idiots REALLY believe that crap? For real? If so, what happens when they find out it's a lie? And why do they always wait when they have to get responsibilities.... do they genuinely think women have no responsibilities (despite probably having more of them)?

    [–]wylanderuk 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

    Funny it seems pretty much every story of regret on how they find the grass is not greener comes from FTMs, fuck old style actual TERFs thought MTFs were fakes but FTMs were traitors.

    Perhaps you should go look at Norah Vincent and her thoughts, but she sadly recently committed suicide from her experiences.

    But that would require some introspection and I have no expectation for that happening.

    [–]QueenBread[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

    Perhaps you should go look at Norah Vincent and her thoughts, but she sadly recently committed suicide from her experiences.

    No offense to that poor lady, but if you really think she killed herself because she found out being a man is harsh...... then what does that say about all those transwomen who 41% themselves, eh? Ouch.

    Luckily I'm not stupid enough to think a transwoman/transman kills themselves because they find out being a woman/man is hard. They kill themselves because they have severe untreated mental issues and their attempt to change gender is only an expression of it.

    [–]wylanderuk 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    She had a mental breakdown just after her experiment which she attributed to the experiment which she never really recovered from. But its less about the fact she killed herself and more about her conclusions about how what she found it was like while doing the experiment.

    [–]QueenBread[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    So, you agree all those transwomen killing themselves do so because they find out being a woman sucks. Interesting.

    [–]wylanderuk 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    No the only thing interesting here is how your alleged mind splutters along, if was a horse it would be heading for the glue factory...

    [–]QueenBread[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    .....Are you capable of writing a normal, natural sentence? Weirdo. Autistic, I assume?

    [–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

    MtF transition doesn't work hardly at all, FtM transition sort of does. That's why MtF suicide rates are so much higher.

    [–]QueenBread[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    FtM transition sort of does

    Aesthetically? Yes, it's easier for a woman to look like a man than vice versa. In everything else? No, they're still 100% women, no matter what their outward appearance is like, and therefore cannot possibly live as men.

    [–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    No, their bodies really do change. It's to the point where a detrans woman is closer to a trans woman than a normal woman. Testosterone is way too powerful and damaging.

    [–]QueenBread[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Lmao and this is why detrans women have babies and breastfeed and still must compete in female sports to be able to win. Testosterone totally turned them into men. WTF are you on? Giving yourself a hormonal imbalance doesn't change your sex. Detrans women and transmen are the same as women. Women who gave themselves a mere chemical imbalance.

    [–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    It depends how long they've been doing testosterone. It will eventually make them infertile.

    [–]QueenBread[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    And still 100% women.

    [–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I suppose it's far easier for a lesbian train to come off as a young boy/man rather than a guy to come off as anything other than a hideous abomination.

    Most of the dykes aren't fooling anyone though. The constant ball caps give them away.

    [–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    FtM transition works better internally too. That's the most important part.

    [–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Vincent wasn't an actual tranny though, I don't think. She was play acting for a book.

    [–]wylanderuk 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    No she was not, she was running a social experiment and she was honest enough to point out it did not turn out the way she thought it would.

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      [–]QueenBread[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      May you become a woman tomorrow.

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        [–]QueenBread[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Yes, we all know trannies are an anti-women and anti-gay movement. In fact, you sound like the type who would like to put on a dress and masturbate in the ladies room. Why don't cha, loser?

        [–]IMissPorn 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Interesting question. The social contagion aspect is much less conspicuous than with teen girls declaring themselves trans after exposure to social media, but that doesn't mean it isn't a factor. If nothing else, the idea that having a femininity fetish makes them "really a women inside" or whatever probably isn't a conclusion most would reach without the gender cult pushing it. They would most likely either repress it on indulge in private instead of turning their fetish into an identity.

        [–]UncleWillard56 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

        They are trying to distance themselves from what the current narrative has deemed the worst evil in the world; men.

        [–]QueenBread[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

        I wish for you to wake up tomorrow turned into an actual woman. Then we'll see how privileged you'll be!

        [–]UncleWillard56 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

        What privilege don't women have? And don't say "walking at night" because more men get assaulted, murdered, raped than women statistically.

        [–]QueenBread[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

        And don't say "walking at night" because more men get assaulted, murdered, raped than women statistically.

        I was going to link the statistics, then I thought..... why? Why should I link statistics for something any sane person knows?

        You're either completely insane or evil. I can't even indulge this level of stupidity. So, do you think that if you repeat this long enough, it will become true? I'm sorry, idiot, but reality has a way of not being able to get cancelled.

        [–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

        It's true. You don't think people should care because you're completely okay with the disposable male dynamic. But when women are the victims you scream bloody murder.

        [–]QueenBread[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

        Sigh

        https://supportingsurvivors.humboldt.edu/statistics

        https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence

        "An estimated 91% of victims of rape & sexual assault are female and 9% male. Nearly 99% of perpetrators are male. 1 This US Dept. of Justice statistic does not report those who do not identify in these gender boxes."

        And keep in mind these are the pro-men stats on sexual violence.

        Goddammit, you men sometimes REALLY suck so much. It's not that you are disproportionately violent. It's the gaslighting and the "no it's not truuueeee" that disgusts me so much.

        A good man says "it sucks that this happens". An evil man says "it's not true!" because he knows he is part of the problem. You are an evil man. You are probably a wannabe offender.

        And this isn't about toxic masculinity: girly, weak, fragile men tend to be much more aggressive towards women than masculine men.

        [–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        When men get raped, they get blamed for it. At the very least it's not recognized, or they're even told they should've liked it.

        girly, weak, fragile men tend to be much more aggressive towards women than masculine men

        That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. See, you're just making excuses to torment them and purge them, because you, like most people, find them worthless and disgusting. It's okay when women break gender expectations, but when men do it they're the worst of all sinners.

        [–]QueenBread[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

        Oh, I see. You're one of those slimy, weak, greasy incels. You feel called out.

        [–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Incel would imply that my celibacy is involuntary. You think every single male is an incel.

        [–]QueenBread[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        You think every single male is an incel.

        "Every single male". The problem of people like you is that you have a hard time accepting not all men are losers like yourself. Or perhaps you don't want to accept it. When I say I hate sexist idiotic creeps, you think I say I hate men. So, think about it for a minute..... nah, nevermind, you don't -want- to think about it.

        [–]wylanderuk 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

        I was going to link the statistics, then I thought.....

        You mean you actually looked at the real ones and realised that you are talking out of your arse...Who am I kidding that would require acknowledging reality and you know actual thought...

        But go on link your stats for murder and assault victims...I could do with a good fucking laugh...

        [–]QueenBread[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        You mean you actually looked at the real ones and realised that you are talking out of your arse..

        Oh, you REALLY want to go there?

        https://supportingsurvivors.humboldt.edu/statistics

        https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence

        "An estimated 91% of victims of rape & sexual assault are female and 9% male. Nearly 99% of perpetrators are male. 1 This US Dept. of Justice statistic does not report those who do not identify in these gender boxes."

        And keep in mind these are the pro-men stats on sexual violence.

        Not that I needed to link those stats, since again, any sane human being knows how reality works. But you aren't sane.

        [–]wylanderuk 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        Why yes I went there you dopey fuck because I asked for stats on assault and murder which you you know you can't twist because women are at worst a third of the victims generally.

        Here,violence%20with%20potentially%20different%20consequences.) however is a actual root source, not from activist groups...

        And even then there are issues with it.

        And frankly "sexual assault" is defined so wide I would posit that when using the widest version of it you would be hard pressed to find someone that has not encountered it in their lifetime. Technically its been committed against me more than once.

        [–]UncleWillard56 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

        What statistics? Statistics are on my side:

        FBI Expanded Homicide Data 2019:

        Total (all races): 10,998 men / 2,991 women

        (Source: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-1.xls)

        You're just parroting a narrative without doing any of your own research. I literally found this in less than a minute. What else you got?

        Your little jab was stupid, because all I did was suggest a reason men might be transitioning, but you took that as some sort of attack on women, which it absolutely wasn't. Now you're just being uncivil and nasty, which is usually the MO of women in an argument. What's next? "Well, you may have found some statistics, but you have a little dick"?

        [–]QueenBread[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

        Statistics are on my side

        Aahahahah!

        [–]UncleWillard56 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

        That's what I figured. Useless.

        [–]QueenBread[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

        My sentiments exactly, moron. Do you know why men get murdered more? Because they get into fights more, dipshit. Y'all so violent you can't help it, but at least most of you have the decency to know it's lame to hurt the physically weaker (women). Go look at how most of those homicides happened. I can bet most of them are from organized crime, or from bar brawls.

        So, what were you trying to prove exactly? The stats for rape are still showing that 98% of rapes and sexual assault are done by men, and that's AFTER men started to identify as women.

        What are you trying to prove? Besides being a dipshit?

        [–]wylanderuk 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

        Y'all so violent you can't help it,

        Then why is single direction DV 70% women perps then? Why is the highest percentage of violent relationships between lesbians and lowest is between gay men?

        [–]RamblingOtter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        There is no one specific answer. I would say a top drawer reason is the scarcity effect. Sex is prewired into peoples' brains and the hormones that come with puberty are all designed to essentially start that process of desire and sexual fulfilment.

        While it's not the only agitator, feminism in it's guise in the early 2000s meant more young women had to prioritise their careers and education. This isn't a bad thing in and of itself, the key thing here is "had to". In order to afford to live in a modern society, together with the messages being handed down by news media and eventually social media that men were the reason everything was bad, that meant less women had any desire to be involved in a big relationship with a man.

        Of course, men have in recent history already become accustomed and raised to further education or to get out to work and to essentially take responsibility. But because of that upbringing, men are (or were) adept at being able to foster their loving relationships while doing that. Women on the other hand were given the message that it was one thing or the other; you could not be in a loving relationship AND focus on your education or career aspirations (which had better be lofty, by the way). This isn't me saying women are all bad, this is me saying women and particularly young women were put under enormous societal pressure to do this thing or be worthless by a huge mega consortium of news outlets and constant messages.

        So let's get back to the men. There were less women willing to engage in long term relationships. Of course, women were happy to engage in brief sexual relationships or one night stands (as is their agency to do so of course) just as men had done. Again, this was something promoted by feminism. But a good majority of men were basically not able to get involved with women, were not engaging in sex with girls their own ages or even older or had to settle for someone who was not exactly right for them as they were willing to engage.

        Going a little psychological here, what is it that men like about women? I mean there are hundreds of answers, but essentially men are a little gruff, a little rough, women are soft and curvy and have boobs that make us crazy. Women have the attributes about their bodies that men don't. And men like them.

        Thus when men are for want of a better word denied what they crave, that's when the mind attempts to find that in another way. If you can't get girls, why not be a girl? The logic is sound regardless of whether the execution is there. If you want to see a cute girl in her panties but cannot, don the panties yourself and convince yourself that it's all good.

        OK I have had to be brief as need to get going and this really is not the only reason. This is just one avenue that has led us to the society we have today of men attempting to become women. And selling it to children wholesale is just a method of legitimising it.

        [–]QueenBread[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        So, long story short, you think this is happening because now women are free to turn down unwanted weirdos? That doesn't even explain why many AGPs go tranny right after they marry and have kids.

        [–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        I think a lot of it is gender roles, not AGP. Any man who acts the slightest bit soft or emotional thinks he must be a woman.

        [–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        I have gotten chased by girls my entire life, that's not the reason. And the parts of the female body men love to stare at are among my least concerns.