DISCUSSIONWhy are some LGBT activist hypocrites when it comes to cis men not dating trans people?

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[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 22 insightful - 3 fun22 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

Because straight men (much like gay women) are the ultimate validation of their personal reality. It's proving to the entire world (but to themselves especially) that they're real women, not just a make-believe approximation Frankensteined into shape by a nightmarish combination of drugs, surgical mutilation, and extreme denial of facts.

But heterosexual men are heterosexual because they don't want to have sex with other men, and if you were born with a penis? You're a man, and therefore not part of a heterosexual man's dating pool, even if some doctor later did some knifework on it.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 19 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

Anecdotal point to add. Knew a gay guy who later became MtF. Person was one of the better minded people as far as attitude and could joke around. Knew how bad the surgery was and had no intention of getting it. We were on friendly terms.

Then one day I said "her" boyfriend wasn't straight. Person lost their shit on me and demanding i apologize. I said i wouldn't bring it up anymore but they kept insisting I say out loud that the boyfriend was straight. I said the best I'll say is he is pansexual but I think that somehow made it worse.

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    [–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    internalised homophobia

    Yes. That’s exactly what it is. It’s essentially conversion therapy with extra steps down a different path. And much like the conventional conversion therapy, it doesn’t work. Except that liberals want you to pretend that it works.

    [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    With how the gay male community can act, I kinda don't blame them for not wanting to be associated, though.

    Man, that sucks.

    [–]jet199 15 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

    A lot of mtfs are deeply homophobic.

    They really don't want to believe the guys who have sex with them are gay and like them because they aren't women.

    [–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Of course a lot of them are deeply homophobic. Why else did they transition?

    Sure, some gay MTFs are homophobic. Like Blaire White, who probably just wanted to be a woman so badly and knows that his partner is bi. But I’ve heard stories of MTFs being hostile towards male homosexuality.

    [–]Alienhunter糞大名 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    People confident in their sexuality don't care what other people think of them.

    People insist I'm gay a lot. Or they imply it. It bothers me about as much as someone getting my name wrong, which is not at all, unless it's on flight tickets or some paperwork where it's a headache to fix. But seriously I don't really care if you think I don't hit on girls enough so that I must be gay. You can keep on thinking that and I'll keep on watching you fail to pick up the girls. I'm not going to air my own escapades for the world to see. You think women prefer to sleep with someone who keeps things on the DL or someone who will boast about it?

    [–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Your friend does not want to admit that all this effort was for nothing. He might also be biphobic.

    [–]jacques1102[S] 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

    I'm going to be honest but the T needs to be drop because if the T is the hill that gay people are willing to die on by making it seem like they're really women and harass straight men for not giving trans people a consideration for dating then they're showing they are hypocrites.

    [–]On_WheelsWe need to secure the existence of the gay race 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    I have actually seen a lot of gays and lesbians criticize the T's, even on this very same saidit. s/LGBDroptheT had a lot of them before it went private.

    [–]IridescentAnaconda 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    I'm in the private sub. I don't know what proportion of LGB are DropTheT, but it's smaller than I would like.

    This is not the hill I want to die on and I feel like trans people are dragging me there to do exactly that.

    [–]On_WheelsWe need to secure the existence of the gay race 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    With any consolation, those numbers should grow as more kids de-transition, and word spreads.

    Don't let it bring you down, take a vacation from social media if need be, the T is way more quiet off the internet than in it.

    [–]lunarstrain 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    I'm in the privated sub and I'm happy to say that there's something in the works for the Drop The T movement.

    [–]On_WheelsWe need to secure the existence of the gay race 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    I thought it was dead?! Well I'm glad to hear it, keep up the good work!

    [–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Lesbians are getting bullied into dating trans women. And now there are demands from trans men that gay men date them. I bet a lot of pro trans gay people didn’t think this would happen. And some of those gay people actually support shaming homosexuals who won’t date transgenders.

    [–]Newzok 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Crazy shit. I don't feel like it's discrimination to not be attracted to them, some are some aren't. I can't control what gets my dick up; if there's a mole in the wrong place it's a turnoff, let alone surgery scars, build, scent and the like.

    [–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Exactly. You have a sexual orientation which must be respected. You also have sexual preferences, which have to be respected as well. I don’t date transgender people. I also don’t date men with long or medium hair.

    [–]Neo_Shadow_Lurker 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    And some of those gay people actually support shaming homosexuals who won’t date transgenders.

    Of course they do: they know there's zero pressure for FtMs or MtFs to date other trans people.

    Even so, most of of them wouldn't do it.

    [–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Like Owen Jones, a liberal gay man who shamed lesbians for being "transphobic". When asked why doesn't he date transmen, he got incredibly butthurt about it.