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[–]sawboss[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Three motives.

  1. Raise awareness that Wikipedia is a propaganda machine with covert political agendas, and there are alternatives.
  2. Raise awareness of InfoGalactic and the SaidIt content written there by u/JasonCarswell.
  3. Ask you to put a link to https://infogalactic.com/info/SaidIt in some obvious place of the main page and confirm that SaidIt endorses InfoGalactic.

If you deny any of those three then I'd like to have the conversation here and now instead of going forward with false impressions of you and these things. Also, u/JasonCarswell has done a lot to promote SaidIt, and acknowledging that seems just.

[–]d3rr 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I'd be fine with all of that. If IG is considered to be extremist or far right though, we should have a vote about it. We don't want to sully our non partisan site with partisan alliances which may turn off newcomers.

And we'd need a plan for 3.

[–]sawboss[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

If IG is considered to be extremist or far right though, we should have a vote about it.

I'm not aware of that. I have been told the dude who started it has had his fingers in shady shit, but it mostly sounds like sour grapes from political adversaries. Either way, voting is probably not a bad idea in a community this small.

We don't want to sully our non partisan site with partisan alliances which may turn off newcomers.

Absolutely. Keep SaidIt politically heterodox! I have more to say on that topic, but I'm still synthesizing my thoughts.

As to 3, if IG is believed to be overtly partisan then it's probably not a good idea. The reverse idea is still valid though: link to SaidIt from many wikis and social sites of varied political allegiances.

Jason mentioned establishing an independent wiki site maintained by himself, SaidItor volunteers, and (maybe?) selected outsiders. Nothing wrong with that, but it seems like an enormous burden and I personally lack the OCD required to participate in such.

[–]d3rr 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Either way, voting is probably not a bad idea in a community this small.

Well now that I think about it, going by this post, it's like 2 for and 2 against, so there's no clear consensus that we should pick an official wiki. If you feel like reposting to /s/AskSaidIt or /s/SaidItSurverys and making it clearly a Y/N poll to get some more feedback, that'd be cool too. Something like "Should InfoGalactic be the preferred external wiki site for SaidIt?"

The reverse idea is still valid though: link to SaidIt from many wikis and social sites of varied political allegiances.

Agreed. The more links to SaidIt the better.

it seems like an enormous burden and I personally lack the OCD required to participate in such

Ditto!

[–]sawboss[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Should InfoGalactic be the preferred external wiki site for SaidIt

Since both you and Jason have weighed in I feel like I've gotten a better feel for how it might go down. If you sincerely believe there would be something to gain then I'll do it.

Of course anyone who has an opinion can just jump in right here and have their say. There's no reason my dumb ideas should go unchallenged.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Improvement: "Should InfoGalactic or WikiSpooks be the preferred external wiki site for SaidIt?"

But that's not even a great question.

Should we even have an external wiki preference?

Should we/someone make it or go with IG, WS, etc?

[–]sawboss[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Should we even have an external wiki preference?

Probably not.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Who's for it?

Why would you go for IG over WikiSpooks, who's main man /u/Robin is a SaidItron and excellent contributor? Maybe he might even be interested in maintaining another wiki too.

IMHO, it's a little too soon for a Survey that will diffuse this thread, unless we all migrate there. We don't even know what the proper question is.

[–]d3rr 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It seems Tom is for it or neutral, so yeah maybe the consensus is no.

Why would you go for IG over WikiSpooks, who's main man /u/Robin is a SaidItron and excellent contributor?

Great point. Yeah I'm over this too, I think it's a non-issue. We endorse the built in SaidIt wiki above all others!

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Who's the other one?

I think it's a non-issue.

Mosdef, from the start. But a good convo.

We endorse the built in SaidIt wiki above all others!

That goes without saying. Unless we SaidItrons dev a sister site with crossover linking code and notifications. So far there's not too many wikis to copy paste over, if/when.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The funder/founder of InfoGalactic is Vox Day. I've never seen him on there.

He's religious and alt-right. He has a sizable following. I've posted some of his interesting Darkstream videos. Most are tedious.

They are developing Social Galactic. I don't know any other details about that.

He's started Unauthrorized.tv to selectively host videos. You can't freely join. You have to build a following and be invited (or maybe you can apply). Owen Benjamin is a big draw.

They publish books. Milo just wrote 2 books.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Vox_Day

I don't know anything about shady shit. I'm willing to hear it.


Installing a MediaWiki is so simple I did it on this box at home. I know nothing about maintaining or administering a wiki. I know there's an international HUGE amount of support resources.

Also, I don't want to manage it. I would contribute, and utilize it, and help out. But I intend to develop my own anti-establishment media content, not platform.


Honestly, I'd rather see someone develop a MediaWiki kit that would emulate the Reddit/SaidIt-style forum format, and port it over to that larger codebase with greater tools. Of course CSS themes would be entirely different, but the rest could potentially be made to appear similar.

There's already a WikForum (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiForum) and lots of integrations, patches, protocols, etc etc etc https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mediawiki+forum+integration Stuff I don't know about.

FYI there's a /r/MediaWiki and I bet you could create a /r/PortRedditToMediaWiki. There are other things I don't know about too: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mediawiki+reddit+integration

This is an interesting MediaWiki vs RedditWiki comparison discussion, though Reddit-biased https://github.com/Arlen22/TW5Docs/issues/3 I don't know how good WP:TiddlyWiki is, but I suspect it doesn't have the power of MW.

[–]sawboss[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't know anything about shady shit. I'm willing to hear it.

Let's just not do that.

There's no way I'm setting up a wiki.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No one is making you.

I can set up another one again, if I hear support and later get support. I can buy the domain on May 1. I'll need to find a good server. Maybe I can test the waters for some new servers M7D3 want to try, buy some hosting there, let them co-admin so they can play with the buttons and maybe tweak the controls. Invite Robin to co-admin. Maybe invited Crew from InfoGalactic too. There are a few there that are decent but mostly it's sparsely populated.

I can try to do some extensions, addons and stuff, but I really don't want to delve into time sucks there when I know there's a better use of my attention and skills to create agitprop.

I wonder if Wikindo.it is taken.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for your praises and good intentions but I don't see much of this as necessary. I wrote another longer comment that address this stuff in more detail. I'd value your thoughts on it.