DebateAltRight banned me, and this was my response

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[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

Spot on, Yin. My family breed dogs and other animals. This holds water with me, there is a reason we get the results we get, it is careful selection of parents and their respective traits.

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    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    You should look at what socks responded to me with.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

    Studies that have been done in the area of health show that mixed-breeds on average are both healthier and longer-lived than their purebred relations. This is because current accepted breeding practices within the pedigreed dog community result in a reduction in genetic diversity, and can result in physical characteristics that lead to health issues.

    Studies have shown that crossbreed dogs have a number of desirable reproductive traits. Scott and Fuller found that crossbreed dogs were superior mothers compared to purebred mothers, producing more milk and giving better care. These advantages led to a decreased mortality in the offspring of crossbreed dogs.

    [–]cisheteroscum 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Dog breeds are notoriously inbred. Humans are not. Crossbreeding dog breeds can mitigate duplicates of many of the harmful recessive alleles present in either breed. This is not the case for major human races. So it's not a relevant analogy

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes, mix-breeding within species is different. I know people don't like labradoodles, but those dogs can be amazing if bred correctly. You get the best of both the poodle and the lab, and folks with allergies can at least be around them.

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      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      This game of sex you're so enthusiastic about

      Not true. I am merely repeating what one can find when searching for and studying mixed-ethnicities and mixed breeds of dogs (not that the two necessarily compare). It's easy to find more information on this. I've provided links in previous posts. Saiditors who want to argue for racist approaches seem to be rather enthusiastic about their claims, which are however not generally agreed upon in many cases.

      [–]send_nasty_stuff 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      The main reason certain dog breeds show health issues is because the AKC selects for weird aesthetics and not functionality. For example they've spent that last 70 years or so breeding the German shepard's back legs shorter to make it look to their 'standard'. A farmer or a military breeding program wouldn't do this. You don't get these health issues among working dog breeds. The AKC breeding for profit program is really dysgenic not eugenic.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Extremely underrated post for all its implications.

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I was not necessarily arguing against mixbreeds, more was I arguing against your understanding of genetics, and those studies did not adequately compare Old World breeds to New World ones. There is a discernible difference. I personally think race-mixing could work, depending on the parent. While on average, mixing dogs might produce okay results, but I'd argue it isn't so for humans. Also, I should make it clear that we once created a new mixed breed on accident (female dog broke into male dogs area). The puppies they made were physically superior, but they were fucking stupid and acted like they were hyped up goofballs, and their coats/skin were jacked up.

      [–]Ash 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      Are you seriously comparing us to Dogs and animals? What is wrong with you people! My pets can't create art, shape their environment like we humans do or have the capability to love and hate as much we can do.

      We are special and right now God's highest creation until the Aliens will turn up! You are not a dog, I am not a bitch, what is wrong with you, guys?!

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      I have met dogs with more emotional capacity than people I went to school with. Calm down. Spend a decade with some animals, living close with them, taking care of them like family, and then you'll understand.

      No, I am not a dog. However, I know how to learn from dogs.

      "We are special and right now God's highest creation until the Aliens will turn up!" This is a weird view to have concerning humanity and reality.

      [–]Ash 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      I'm weird and love animals but will draw the line between us and them. What I learned from my animals (dogs and cats) is unconditional Love and loyality. There are still not humans. We are currently the universes highest creation. There's no aother mammal as smart as we are. We discover and shape worlds, dogs can't.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Ok, I never said humans are dogs. Why are you so intent on misunderstanding me?

      Im glad you learned of love and loyalty from your pets, but they have far more to teach you than that.

      "We are currently the universes highest creation." Ok, you are incredibly human-centric, and you should spend more time in nature. You are dead wrong about this.

      Humans are a part of nature, however, we've separated ourselves from nature in a dozen ways. If you want to reconnect with it, you need to view it objectively. Good luck trying to do that while also believing that some God made humans, and that humans are top dogs in the universe.

      Seriously, good luck.