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[–]Node 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

But you do make some good points about caffeine.

Ever tried kratom? It's the powdered leaf of a south east Asian tree, and is similar in effect to caffeine, but without the jitters.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I have heard of it repeatedly but never tried it. There was actually a kratom sub on saidit that was quite active a couple years ago, that was how I learned about it. Is it addictive, are there withdrawals? (compared to caffeine)

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my reply to jason, with best source link

There is a ton of conflicting information and claims about kratom. I heard about it a few years ago and read many of those. I haven't found it to be addicting at all, and it's been a great caffeine alternative and/or booster for me.

Narcotics addicts claim to be able to stay off the drugs with very large amounts of kratom, and the specific claim is that the large amounts have a narcotic effect, which is opposite the effects of small amounts. (3.5 grams/rounded half tablespoon for me) I don't know if this is true, and I haven't taken large amounts.

I also don't use it everyday, more like 2-4 times per week. I have black tea most days, and coffee 2-4 times per week. The kratom is useful when I need to be more awake or alert, not as an everyday thing like caffeine. Don't want to develop a tolerance, and am cautious about excess reliance on stimulants.

See my other reply for more details.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

How long does kratom last? How expensive is it compared to caffeine pills (they're cheap and I don't do coffee)?

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https://herbal-rva.com/product/premium-maeng-da/#reviews

$70 for a kilo of powder. This is the best site, price, and quality I've found, but feel free to look around. I first bought small batches locally, and spent double this for just a little bit.

https://otiesbotanicals.com/product-category/green-leaf/ (second best, but their prices have increased)

I take a rounded half tablespoon in water which just weighed out to 3.5 grams, and it lasts a few hours or so. If you're already taking caffeine pills, you should give this a shot. Alternate with the caffeine or have together.

Multiple types and names: It's mostly all marketing. Straight green 'maeng da' (the shit!?) works fine. There is red, yellow, and white, but I'd say ignore.

By the way, it tastes gross. They make capsules, but those are for wusses. Mix it with water and drink it down, then have juice or whatever if you need it. It's a bit hydrophobic, so takes 5 minutes or so to soak/mix into the water.

Narcotics addicts claim "large quantities" give more of a sedation effect, and help them stay off the hard stuff. I have no experience with that. You'll get a whole range of stories and videos about it with an internet search.

Bottom line for me, I like it as a stimulating caffeine alternative, but sometimes have it with caffeine.