Saidit is currently undergoing the largest DDOS attack we've ever had

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (36 children)

I'm intimately familiar with this kind of thing from having argued with people like you for half a decade. Can you actually come up with a defense of your position? No? I thought not. Because it's always the same from people like you. You pretend nobody can argue against you, and the second anybody does you cry about it and claim victory. Feel free to make an attempt, maybe you somehow have some magical argument that presents your side as more than just conspiracy theorists looking for someone to blame for your failures.

[–]Anatolia 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (35 children)

You should read the debate pyramid

https://saidit.net/static/PyramidDebate.jpg

you are at the point of namecalling. but keep going

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (34 children)

Again, no, I have repeatedly offered you to defend your position. You have not. For the third time in a row, you are refusing to. All I did was explain I am intimately familiar with it, and criticize it. This is your last chance to put up some kind of argument.

[–]Anatolia 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (33 children)

and criticize it.

you never criticized any distinct points, you just said people like him are idiots looking for someone else to blame for their failures. (a pretty inflammatory thing to say honestly, do you really know anything about the people you are commenting to?)

I think you need to take a breather, or criticize specific points if you want a discussion. OR you just don't want any discussion. That's cool too!

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (32 children)

I called them conspiracy theorists looking for other people to blame for their failures. That is not "name calling". It's a criticism of the conspiracy theory. Do you care to actually take up the argument, or are you just going to keep trolling? Or do you just assume it isn't a conspiracy theory (even though it fits the exact definition)?

Edit: And since you clearly missed it, here is the central refutation of the conspiracy theory: "Blaming ideological positions on specific groups of people when, on the whole, they align more with geography and wealth to begin with. [...] All you have is a conspiracy theory on the basis that some Jews have opinions you don't like, and an opinion shared by plenty of other races with high income brackets."

[–]Anatolia 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I called them conspiracy theorists looking for other people to blame for their failures. That is not "name calling". It's a criticism of the conspiracy theory.

Calling people failures is not a criticism of conspiracy theory.

"Blaming ideological positions on specific groups of people when, on the whole, they align more with geography and wealth to begin with

Now you're getting somewhere. This is why you should probably research how New York got it's wealth (hint: it was slave trading and cotton) then when you read the scholarly sources regarding who were the majority owners and financiers of slave trade since the inception of the funding of Christopher Columbus. Now you are getting somewhere :)

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Calling people failures is not a criticism of conspiracy theory.

I said blaming for their failures, not that they are failures. There's a difference, try to pay attention.

Now you're getting somewhere. This is why you should probably research how New York got it's wealth (hint: it was slave trading and cotton) then when you read the scholarly sources regarding who were the majority owners and financiers of slave trade since the inception of the funding of Christopher Columbus. Now you are getting somewhere :)

And so did plenty of non-jews and other kinds of bankers or anyone in financing. The reason some Jews ended up in finance positions stems from the fact Catholics couldn't charge interest and Jews rarely had other occupations allowed to them. So what? You start with trolling and your very first point does not address my criticism, in fact falls in line exactly with it.

[–]Anatolia 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The reason some Jews ended up in finance positions stems from the fact Catholics couldn't charge interest and Jews rarely had other occupations allowed to them.

And they need to repent for their sins in the slave trade just as catholics need to repent for their sins of terrorizing the native people and destroying much of their heritage, forcing a fake white jesus religion upon them.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

...??? I don't believe you inherit deeds of your ancestors. Do you just not have an argument?

[–]Anatolia 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

In a world where latino people are giving power and money to evil organizations of the catholic church, and mainstream jewish ideology wants to erase the biblical origins of other people to give them "chosen" status while they run hip hop music as modern day slavery, israel as modern day apartheid, without even getting into the rothschilds and other jewish bankers comitting ursury with the world bank, IMF, it is a bit deeper than "inheriting the deeds of your ancestors"

[–]Fitter_Happier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

conspiracy theory

You do realize that everything big that happens is the result of a conspiracy? Man walks on moon, that's the result of a conspiracy. People actually went into a smoke filled room and conspired to put a man on the moon. Then it happened. A giant pyramid arose in Egypt 5000 years ago. Well, that was the result of a conspiracy.

You fucking idiot, a "conspiracy theory" is merely one's assessment of HOW things came about.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

You don't know what the word "conspiracy" means. Let's cite the dictionary to help:

noun, plural con·spir·a·cies.

  1. the act of conspiring.

  2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.

  3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.

  4. Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.

  5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.n evil, unlawful, treacherous, or

  6. surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.

None of these definitions fit your use of the word "conspiracy", as it appears you actually meant "agreement" or "cooperation" of some kind. Rather, conspiring and conspiracy inherently imply nefarious, evil, unlawful, or other plans or plots against someone or something. In other words, blaming a race of people for such things means you have a theory of a conspiracy to explain some observations. A conspiracy theory.

[–]Fitter_Happier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

This is merely intent. If others think you're doing good then it's not a conspiracy, if they think you're doing bad, it's a conspiracy.

How dumb are you?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

...?? You believe in a conspiracy theory because you ascribe intent to a race of people that you consider in some sense evil toward you. Yes. Exactly my point. Is English not your first language?

[–]Fitter_Happier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

What are you referring to? Be specific. What "conspiracy theory" do you think I believe that isn't true?