I know this site is for free speech and all but please cut the antisemitism and conspiracy theory bs from the front page. It's not a good look and is going to drive people away from trying the site.

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[–]wristaction 28 insightful - 6 fun28 insightful - 5 fun29 insightful - 6 fun -  (46 children)

Why do you assume people will be turned off by antisemitic speech who were not turned off by reddit's antiwhite speech?

[–]FediNetizen 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (44 children)

Even if I get annoyed at the occasional racist post on Reddit, it's tolerable because it makes up such a small percentage of the content. On Saidit it's a lot more prevalent, and a lot harder to brush aside.

[–][deleted] 24 insightful - 4 fun24 insightful - 3 fun25 insightful - 4 fun -  (37 children)

As a jew myself, even one who has lived many years in Israel i naturally feel invested in all the antisemitism. That being said, the issue to me is that clearly a lot of people feel this way... that's what matters. Thinking you're solving anything by stopping people from expressing how they feel seems childish to me. And that desire also seems to come from a place where people feel intimidated. Maybe they're right about a lot and so them being able to speek freely about it is a good and important thing. Maybe they're crazy and sad losers in which case no one should feel intimidated by what they have to say.

[–]yayblueberries 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

Right? It amazes me how much we supposedly live in a country where everybody loves screaming "free speech" and then they all want to silence the first opinion they see that they hate. All that does is silence somebody who is probably already quite angry about something, which is only going to make them more furious, and fuel their hatred. No wonder this country is so full of very extreme people at this point.

[–]FediNetizen 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

If that "amazes" you, then I suspect, you don't actually understand what free speech is.

There are four fundamental aspects to free speech:

1) The right to speak 2) The right not to speak 3) The right to listen 4) The right not to listen

An individual or community is free to reject whatever views they like. That's part of the 4th freedom. A church is free to either limit or outright reject the speech of atheists. A feminist club is free to limit or outright reject men's rights activists. And an online community is free to limit or outright reject whatever views it likes.

[–]Uncle-Ruckus 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

And an online community is free to limit or outright reject whatever views it likes.

Funny you say that when the site admins outright state they do not want to censor anyone. And it is their right.

[–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Is it censorship when a newspaper pushes a hot take to the opinion section? Neither I nor the OP are arguing that they should be banned. Just that they shouldn't be on the front page representing saidit.

[–]Extract 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

The front page is shaped by user votes.
If it's "representing" saidit, it's because the majority is upvoting them over other posts.

As this and the other post calling such posts out has more upvotes, it also shows there is a majority of lazy fucks who could change what's on the front page, but the only thing motivating them enough to vote isn't good or interesting content - it is a post that bitches and whines about others.

[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yep. creating interesting content is the answer. Fill saidit with what you love, because you can't downvote what you hate into oblivion. /u/magnora7 did a great thing with the voting system.

[–]Uncle-Ruckus 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You are advocating for views you don’t agree with to be intentionally excluded from and be treated differently on online forum. That in itself is censorship. Your analogy doesn’t even make complete sense. If there was a pro LGTBQ front page tab and anti gay posts were filtered from there that’d make sense. The only reasonable option is a personal content filter, or an option to be to have cuss words or derogatory words censored with asterisks, like f***. You are doing no favors to yourself by limiting what views others are allowed to promote.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Platform VS Editor. Look it up.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just that they shouldn't be on the front page representing saidit.

Fuck you. This is saidit, not your personal domain. Deal with it or fuck off

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And an online community is free to limit or outright reject whatever views it likes.

And we reject the free-speech curtailing hate that says we can't talk about the jewish issue.

IF you want to have a safe space, make a sub that bans it, and live there.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're not distinguishing between a PLATFORM and an EDITOR. Saidit and similar sites are (or pretend to be, in reddit's case) PLATFORMS for the exchange of ideas. As such, the platform takes no responsibility for its users' view. This is also why Google, Facebook and other censorship sites may well lose their "platform" status and become known as "editors". Currently they are behaving like editors but enjoy the advantages of platforms. That may well not last.

Anyway, you are confusing the two. They are very different.

[–]Fitter_Happier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

an online community is free to limit or outright reject whatever views it likes.

And a store has a right to not serve Blacks.

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Lol no it doesn't have you been in a coma since the civil rights act was passed?

[–]Fitter_Happier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Moron, that was sarcasm to make my point about "muh private company".

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well it was a really stupid point, then. If you don't understand the difference between not being able to buy food at a grocery store because of something you can't control like race, and getting kicked off a website for behavior which you can control, then you don't understand the issue.

[–]Fitter_Happier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Race, creed, religion. These are all illegal to discriminate against.

Paypal will ban you for being against mass immigration. Does this seem legal to you?

[–]Fitter_Happier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

everybody loves screaming "free speech" and then they all want to silence the first opinion they see that they hate

Thing is, I believe most Americans with deep roots here don't feel this way. We've had 1A since forever and it's ingrained in our souls that Free Speech is ESSENTIAL to a free society. All this "White Fragility" bullshit is just that, bullshit. If you can't say what you think you don't have any freedom and you can't make anything better.

[–]FediNetizen 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (9 children)

It's not about stopping people from expressing how they feel, it's about making it clear that those views don't represent this site. If people want to have that discussion, that's fine. Just do what we do with other subs that ban people for dissenting opinions, and don't have it show up on the frontpage by default.

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

it's about making it clear that those views don't represent this site

Isn't that the mentality where you assume everywhere is an echo chamber? It's not the site's fault if some people are so used to echo chambers they can't imagine that this place isn't an echo chamber.

[–]FediNetizen 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

An echo chamber is a place where a particular (usually fringe) perspective has reached majority consensus and dissenters are shouted down. Most people find racism to be distasteful, so having racism shoved in their face will push them away from the site, and eventually this site will end up being another right-wing echo chamber like Voat.

You don't have to actual ban racist content to solve this problem, you just make it opt-in like other sites do for porn or other controversial/adult content.

[–]bobbobbybob 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

you are not listening.

You have no right to police what is spoken about here, or to police how the site may or may not be perceived by anyone else, outside of the existing rules of the site.

We sometimes like talking about the jewish question. And sometimes we have to live with crazy kikes like myself calling other people 'kike' for shits and giggles. Well, ex-kike, I guess, as I embraced our messiah, Jesus, and left the synagogue of satan behind.

And I should be allowed to talk about it, be seen to talk about it, and be seen to have people challenge my views with DEBATE, not CENSORSHIP.

go back to reddit, you don't belong here. Or take a big deep breath, grow up, and counter anything you perceive as 'anti-semitism' with rational debate, facts etc.

[–]Fitter_Happier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

dissenters are shouted down

Shouted down is a far cry from algorithmically silenced.

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

it's about making it clear that those views don't represent this site.

Why?

Why does that need to be made clear? To who? the people that use the site? deal with it.

[–]Fitter_Happier 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

don't represent this site

This site is not a publisher. Jesus, have you paid no attention to the whole section 230 debate?

If a discussion forum site starts editing comments it has become a publisher and loses the rights of a platform.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Saidit is a PLATFORM. Not an EDITOR.

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You don't seem to actually understand how any of this works. Saidit's owners and admins can delete or hide posts as they see fit; it's their site.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, and the fact they choose not to, proves they are a PLATFORM. Not an EDITOR.

[–]magnora_is_a_faggot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is no such thing as anti-Semitism.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Holy shit I upvoted a Jew. What. are. you. hiding.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I wouldn't say i've been hiding it but what you might've missed is that i'm an individual before i'm a jew. And so it makes sense that you wouldn't be able to predict everything about me just because i'm a jew. Kinda like the martin luther king line about judging people as individuals and not by what their ethnicity is.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

But Jews aren't people. Your souls are of demonic origin, not human.

Don't worry about my knowledge or recognition of individuality, I'm an expert.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Was it the jews who put highly sentient creatures in gas chambers? You know that when you're a senior in high school in Israel, it's very common to go on school trips to Poland to visit the concentration camps there. The ones i remember visiting were Auschwitz, Majdanek and Treblinka. Got to see the furnaces and this mountain of ashes that still exists. But the craziest thing that left the biggest mark on me were the gas chambers. Where you could still see scratch marks all around the walls. So who are really the demons in that story?

The truth is that maybe we just are superior in some sense at least. And maybe jews used their superiority in dumb ways like assimilating with non-jews, becoming more successful than non-jews, outcompeting non-jews in general in terms of money and women. And so obviously the non jews just got more and more jealous which led to the holocaust... at least that's what makes sense to me from my experience.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Ah, there you are, I recognize you now. The master of lies. The living, breathing lying through every cell of its body, humanoid parasite. The demons are those who tried selling the rest of us their story about 6 million dead for about a century before 1930. Here are only the last 30 years of that, but still enough to get an idea: https://www.bitchute.com/video/InfoisVbVuFc/

Have you heard of David Cole? Have a watch: https://www.bitchute.com/video/o3kAb3Znwv6s/

Spielberg sponsored many interviews about the horrors of the "Arbeit Macht Frei" 'death camps': https://www.bitchute.com/video/0I6RMclS7DEv/

Subhuman parasite.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Imagine a person who hasn't visited the concentration camps telling a person who has visited them that it wasn't real.

It's like if you really think we're not human, we're demons and whatnot... then why are you ashamed of the holocaust? Shouldn't you be proud and happy that your nazi friends successfully killed so many jews and shouldn't you hope to continue their work? Or do you not hate jews so much after all?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Oh no. I don't hate Jews. I am above such vile feelings. I feel sorry for them. I feel pity for them. Disgust at them. They are like thalidomide babies: you don't HATE them. You might vomit looking at them, just as I might vomit looking at a jew's "soul".

But no hatred. I keep the hatred for the forces you have embraced to become what you are. In this way, I am your friend. Much more than any of you could ever be mine.

[–]Extract 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Here's a secret to changing this:
1. Make better posts.
2. Upvote posts that aren't antisemitic/racist.
3. Call out such posts in the comments.
4. Whine about those posts on /s/all Sorry nvm forgot this isnt reddit.

[–]noice 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fuck yes, this is the saidit way

[–]wristaction 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I'm new here. Apart from white advocacy, what would you say are the main topics, cliques, community philosophies of saidit?

[–]72ndGender 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Free speech is the main philosophy of Saidit. Feminists are the most active here. Not sure why you identify white advocacy first though. They are probably the most active clique too. Main topics are free speech, reddit sucking, not liking politicians, and males aren't females.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

its a pretty mixed bag, tbh. There's a number of 'fringe' groups, with radical world views here, some of them stay contained in their subs, some don't. There's a bunch of bitter oldfags like myself, who like to mock, moan, belittle and occasionally engage in interesting debates when someone is up for it.

If you want to see what's going on, you can sort by 'comments' and spot what is being talked about right now.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

reddit is 90% 'woke' circle jerk BS.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Go back to /r/neocon on reddit.

Bunch of anti-Semities there.