Snow goes public with accusations against Saidit, starts a wordpress.com blog

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[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (64 children)

Yeah, user snow was infiltrating said-it to keep an eye on businesses that support free speech. Something sensitive of an unrelated political nature was said or discussed that triggered this need to alter said-it. She couldn't do it herself so she is attempting to get dirtier. Its like a declaration of war through other means.

I'd support /u/magnora7 in whatever is being done to keep this platform up. Its free enough to be the proper middle ground, but its also being attacked, for its growth and freedom. The desire here is to clamp down on things by some soon to be "controllers". They will probably use further under-handed materials and means to make it happen. Good luck magnora, shits getting worse and i would suspect your culprit is... perhaps chinese authoritarianism. Chinese elements might be attempting to alter this place according to their philosophy.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 6 fun -  (21 children)

We've also got multiple Israelis and admitted US military on here. Growing pains!

[–]Tom_Bombadil 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (18 children)

I also suspect that snow is one of those two.
The easily correctable grammar, etc.

It's too convenient that some kid appears and begins harassing various subs and individuals. Then this "individual" manufactures a fake pedo scenario and screenshot propaganda. Then goes on to write an article about it.

Snow probably has other usernames here. Probably other associates.

How did Chipit find this article so quickly?

Edit: For the record I indicated that I though Snow was a shill back in October.

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

Maybe Chipit is part of the Snowjob? :P

[–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I don't know.

Although, he is now conspicuously associated with Snow's idiocy.

Edit: Chipit is Snow. Chipit is a shill.

[–]Chipit[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Sigh...when do I go on and on about the evil falun gong? Or the US Navy in the South China Sea? Or Tibet? Or any of the other wumao tells? I'm a right-wing American, genius.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://saidit.net/s/help/comments/1aql/help_feminazi_attack/2vnx?context=3

https://saidit.net/s/help/comments/1aql/help_feminazi_attack/2vns?context=3

[–]FormosaOolong 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Sadly, yes, they are likely an intentional disruptor on Someone's behalf. Back when, I too half-jokingly suggested they might be a Chinese military asset. They are at the very least a deranged young person who craves attention very, very badly.

[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

What sad is that they're like the 3rd person in saidit history to do that exact months-long tactic... it's obviously in some playbook somewhere, but amount of dedication it requires is a bit astounding. It honestly seems like maybe they're being paid hourly or something, because they often spend a ridiculous amount of time working on custom CSS, and custom graphics, writing excessively long posts and comments, and making and decorating dozens of random subs no one will ever use, and other busywork.

Or like you said, it could just be an attention-seeker. But the arc of how they "go bad" once they're embedded in the community, and then the striking similarity of the style and content of the false accusations that start flying soon after... it does seem to be a pattern that one might call a cultural attack.

[–]useless_aether 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

subversion

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think I may know whats going on if you can follow it:

Agents infiltrate these social media sites to categorize user-base and the mod base into specific personality templates. It could be Meyer-Briggs Type Indicators or D and D alignment charts or political predispositions based on their responses.

Part of that user profile and content are then collected and fed into developing content algorithms for attracting or barring "certain" personality types from growing in order to maintain the goals of an authoritarian domain. For example; some social media sites are ban heavy against certain "types" of users and predisposed to "encourage" certain types of content for various political purposes. Like Voat is extremely predisposed to alt-right content and reddit is extremely ban heavy against unlawful posts; these criterias were developed in the hidden back-end by similar methods and implemented quite harshly to point of force and fracture for the whole communities.

Which leads to the basic point: A common side-effect of mass information collection and implementation based on profiling is disasterous for the whole community down the road due to the biased reasoning and false heuristics of implementing certain goals for political purposes. Basically an end justifies the means problem, but one can argue oppositionally that the means shall also justify their ends!

Of course, we aren't completely done yet! The other aspect of collected user data is IP addresses and physical geographic locations for other dark and sinister purposes. Gestapo 2.0 anyone? And you may have these various networks operating around for this type of user content: Alt-right, CCP, Putin's troll armies, Middle Eastern factions, the churches, mosques, temples, synanogues etc.

This is why persistent identity and user base tracking is flawed. The goals of any organization can be biased and are often implemented heuristically without acknowledgement of common unknowns as to the cause and effect of phenomenon, therefore leading to disaster on a diligent time-scale due to the simple mindedness of the idiots involved in hierarchy.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

IMO, it's the latter. An expressive, active, and dedicated person, trying to find a good fit. Sometimes it doesn't work out and sometimes it gets bitter. You don't notice the ones who drift away quietly.

As someone who thought they were free to improve SaidIt, embracing that "tactic", I took time and effort to be the change I wanted to see and tried to make a nice nest nicer. But "nice" is subjective. Also, what is determined to be "nice" could also be open and democratic, though that's not always how the SaidIt community is lead, as is your prerogative.

I've seen infiltration and it's rarely subtle. Whether it's police infiltrating peaceful protests to stir up shit or cops at Burning Man aiming to bust some hippie heads. The worst are the yahoo cops "in disguise" trying to find out who has "the drugs". The best are the cops who unironically wear "NARC" t-shirts who catch fools who think their shirt is ironic.

Maybe SaidIt is a looming threat to the Chinese or the establishment, but IMO, it's not significant enough until it's close to a household name to have long term investment infiltrations - and even when it's time to pay out you'd likely just think someone's brain broke, got corrupted, sold out, or whatever. That could be for a few individuals, not enough. So the other way to corrupt is by orchestrated swarm, again obvious.

I'm curious about the other "tactic" people.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

because they often spend a ridiculous amount of time working on custom CSS, and custom graphics, writing excessively long posts and comments, and making and decorating dozens of random subs

/u/magnora7 literally writes what's going on but can't accept the fact that people get upset when they spend a lot of time trying to contribute to the site (in my case, future-proof it against legal and administrator abuse by posing principal questions) and they're shat on.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I am glad when people help out. I am not glad when people pretend to help so that they can later undermine it more deeply. There's quite a difference. I am only speaking of the latter.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I am not glad when people pretend to help so that they can later undermine it more deeply. There's quite a difference.

It's a good thing you can read my mind so you know my actual motives beyond the ones I present myself.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Which is why I give everyone the benefit of the doubt until they break the rules. No mind reading required.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Without specifics and examples I can only kind of agree.

In my case, I was trying to help improve and organize and classify subs - for better reference and research and search results. My ideas for democratic sub developments were ignored.

I was also trying to improve the aesthetics and practicality with my evolving Ergonomix CSS, applied to several subs, which I needed mod access to update - but I was called a sub hoarder (true-ish) and power mod (categorically false).

Talking to [deleted] in any substantial way seems moot and a waste of time. I don't even talk to myself.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

but I was called a sub hoarder

100+ subs only for the admins, not for you.

Talking to [deleted] in any substantial way seems moot and a waste of time.

I'm sorry that you need to know who's saying something before you evaluate the content.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To the wind and no one in particular:

I never had close to 100 subs, nor want them. Nor do I see that as a problem if they're not abused. Who's to say there's a limit until the admin decides and announces there's one. Explosively in this case. Now there's a limit of 40.

I had 40 and didn't even want most of them, but I wanted the topics to exist to post under to help organize SaidIt. I also wanted to be able to update the CSS and banners. Unfortunately chaos reigns and SaidIt is no more organized than the barnyard animals on Reddit.

I tried to be the change I wanted to see in the world and lead by example. I was free to help in the manner that I could until I wasn't.

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's in the other thread, genius. https://saidit.net/s/MeanwhileOnReddit/comments/21dq/snow_has_run_to_rconspiracy_to_tell_dad_my_story/

But go ahead with the amateur spy-hunting.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's in the other thread, genius.

You're the only person who read/up-voted this sorry post. It only received 3 points (from you).

Snow's Reddit post also received 3 up-votes, because no one read it or cared about it.... Except for you.
That is an interesting coincidence.

Edit:

/u/d3rr
/u/magnora7

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Good! In case we go to war, we shall use them as counter assets against the enemy! Begin reverse brain-washing!

MUAHAHAHA! cough cough

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Come into this thread with the popcorn, expect a good show, read it, leave like. I guess I was naive to think we were too small to attract that type of attention yet, even with SaidIt growing.

[–]Chipit[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (40 children)

Eh, I doubt it. China doesn't really care what anyone says in English. Their crap is entirely directed inwards towards their own people. Saidit isn't blocked by the Great Firewall, and if it was any kind of threat it certainly would be.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (39 children)

Hmm... I think you might be under-estimating the forces that don't want freedom on the internet.

[–]Chipit[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (38 children)

Nah. China basically has its own internet. The average Chinese hardly ever uses overseas websites.

Certainly there are those who hate our freedoms and the free exchange of information threatens them. But the Chinese government? Eh. On the lower half of the list.

[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

The wumaos are on the Chinese internet. If they're posting on Saidit then they're wasting their time.

From your link:

A 2016 Harvard University paper found that in contrast to common assumptions, the 50 Cent Army consists mostly of paid bureaucrats who respond to government directives in times of crisis and flood Chinese social media with pro-government comments. They also rarely engage in direct arguments, and around 80% of the analysed posts involve pro-China cheerleading with inspirational slogans, and 13% involve general praise and suggestions on governmental policies.[10][11]

They simply lack the motivation to accuse some site of pedophilia. It's not in their wheelhouse.

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

The wumaos are on the Chinese internet.

Nah, they're everywhere. Why wouldn't they be? You think china doesn't care about influencing global opinion? Plus it's a jobs program! Win/win for The Chinese government.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't know if you remember from back in the early days of reddit when CPP shills were around to try manipulating opinions. It didn't go well at first because reddit was too diverse or apathetic but eventually, a strategem took hold to shake up the service.

Isn't this place trying to be similar to old reddit before it went down the tubes? The question worth posing is: What threats are posed by unrestricted discussion based protocols on geopolitical and cultural topics? Well, for censor heavy government regimes- the potential and liability of truth leakage is infinite. It would undermine their propaganda based brainwashing through provisions of contrasting information. It would be a haven for people to "escape" and "normalize" once again.

Why wouldn't there be disruptive cells to interrupt this proper flow of uncensored information? Plus Cyber-China isn't even what it was from back in the day. It has mutated and evolved much further.

[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree. Their clunky old methods have improved vastly because they've put a lot of effort in to refining them.

In fact every single place of discussion online that is too pointed or clear, ends up being disrupted by one or many groups, who don't want the discussion to be publicly happening.

Saidit has been DDOS'd dozens of times, and we've had lots of social attacks on the admins as well as attacks trying to destroy or disrupt the culture. Thankfully the pyramid of debate helps us keep things relatively organized, which helps combat these disruption attempts.

I actually made a video detailing this exact propaganda technique once if anyone is interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m18fu6eEVi4

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Because they don't speak English? Wumaos are largely CPC members who post in their spare time at work or whatever.

Moreover, as I keep pounding the point, the CPC is overwhelmingly concerned with maintaining its own power in China and doesn't really give a crap about what anyone says in English. I'm just not seeing how trying to take out a small website is some kind of objective for them. They're busy and have their hands full right now with other affairs.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

You basically sound like you know their internal operations and how CPC works for some reason. Kinda suspicious

[–]Chipit[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Because I pay attention? I also have an interest in 20th century Chinese history. Ask me about the warlord period or the Japanese puppet states sometime, they're fascinating.

People simply don't know China. There is a massive language barrier, a massive culture barrier, and the Great Firewall. Thus people's minds just fill in what they don't know with their worst fears. It's a well-known phenomenon.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Perhaps, but they have enough people and cheap labor, they can target basically every semi-popular website. Saidit is 15,298th largest website in the US right now, and one of the larger social media sites. It's hard to imagine China not wanting to influence US culture. And it's not like every person on saidit speaks perfect English...

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Why wouldn't they improve on their tactics and branch out? This is basic cyber-warfare plus we don't exist in 2010's when China lacked imperial will to build outside its borders or influence other governments.

At this point it is setting up shop all over Africa and expanding its turf by getting damn near close to a super power with added cyber capabilities!

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

OK I'll bite: what do you think China's motivations for posting on Saidit are? I can't wait to hear it.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It would be called Standard Operating Procedures.

SOP for short. Look it up further if you like.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No. The exact motivations. What is it they will gain, and how does it fit in with their national objectives?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

I only sense underestimation coming from you. You must know of the boiling frog.

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

I'm saying China doesn't have much interest in suppressing the freedoms of people in distant lands who don't even speak Chinese. They are interested in maintaining their own power at home. They simply lack the motivation that other powerful groups have.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Or so they want us to think...

The tentacles of authoritarianism reach far and wide while suppressing all they touch!

Edit: See /u/Chipit, I just learned of this as proof: 50 Cent Party.

They would still be looking to make money on saidit, unless! gasp you just made your 50 cents because you are defending them.

[–]Chipit[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

what's with these [deleted]s that keep replying to my posts? Is it a username that just looks like a deleted user?

[–]useless_aether 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

it's the same guy, used to be wastingtime, aetherisuseless, round2, suspicious. he sometimes creates an account just to make a few comments, then deletes the account as soon as called out, and makes a new one straight away. RuckFeddit also noticed. he is good friends with nemacolin, i saw it in your thread yesterday - the internet hug.. imo we should ask the admins for a remedy to prevent continuous account creations from ip addresses that just deleted their accounts. or something like that.

u/d3rr

u/magnora

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

He hasn't broken any rules yet, but if he does I'll ban at the IP level. Some of the names in your list have the same IPs but some don't

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

We could try but if they use a VPN or Tor they have a different IP all the time. Thanks for the info, sketchy shit.

[–]FormosaOolong 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks. I don't think it's all Snow, though, unless they're really good and consistent with faking first/second language issues.

Snow did accuse others of making sock puppet accounts a lot, and it's classic troll behavior to accuse others of what you yourself (as in "one", not you, u_a.) are doing.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Actually if you can remember older-reddit. You could do something like this! There was freedom to do that and if this place wanted to offer something similar; you should leave features like that alone.

Edit: And no, I wouldn't delete my accounts just as I am called out. I do it mainly for humor and to keep people on their toes. Its quirky and schtick. Also helps me not get as addicted to social media with fake internet points.

And no, nemacolin and I aren't good friends. that internet hug comment was actually sarcasm, damn you are too boring and literal to be my adversary: u/useless_aether (Round 5).

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I have no idea, what that could be!

[–]FormosaOolong 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is an insightful comment, but why are you [deleted] ? Utterly confused now.

[–]Jesus-Christ 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

Lol this is fucking hilarious, we've got some great website lore going here. The opening sentance is like the introduction to a group therapy session after they were raped or something. Or as if he's stating his name, implying he has a legacy and his name holds significance. That and the fact she pulled a quote out of Frozen? wtf

[–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Snow was a dickhead? Quell Suprise!

[–]astronautrob 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This contrived drama is not very interesting

[–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Okay, that's weak sauce, and I take back some of my defensive statements about the clearly mentally disturbed Snow. A waste of energy, time, and drama.

[–]bald-janitor 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

You be the new snow

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I was Snow before Snow was. /s/HolocaustSkepticism

[–]bald-janitor 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Holobunga no happen!

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree. Did you read that one and only post?

[–]FormosaOolong 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, I retract all of my early support of this attention-seeking bear-poker. I feel sad for someone who needs this brand of adrenaline to feel okay.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Indeed. It's sad because there was great passion, potential, and energy there. But twisted with blind spots.

[–]ScamCast 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yikes

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

This is hilarious.

https://saidit.net/s/teachsnowenglish/

[–]useless_aether 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

https://pic8.co/sh/vwXc2C.png