Requesting again for sort by old

TheAmeliaMay · 2021-03-04T02:46:42+00:00

They show up in admin mode, but I'm unsure why they count, since one was deleted and another was removed.

TheAmeliaMay · 2021-03-04T02:44:37+00:00

3 comments

Only shows one.

TheAmeliaMay · 2021-03-04T02:35:15+00:00

jykylsin2034 · 2021-03-04T02:32:34+00:00

I've been using mobile and I just learned of the sort by old, I'll try it out

hennaojichan · 2021-03-03T23:53:31+00:00

I believe s/ironleft is made up of a separate group of people. I even know some of the ironleft people and they—the ones I know—wouldn't take part in this racial nonsense. I could be wrong of course and will message you if I notice anything more on this.

bobbobbybob · 2021-03-03T18:52:52+00:00

commenting to say "yes please"

grixit · 2021-03-03T14:28:55+00:00

then your reply doesn't count and my request still stands.

TheAmeliaMay · 2021-03-03T11:15:53+00:00

Hm, interesting. Do you think this has to do with the folks at s/ironleft who've been spamming stuff like this for months, or is it someone else?

TheAmeliaMay · 2021-03-03T11:08:27+00:00

I took care of it. Kind of hard to miss, seeing how it was literally the first thing I saw when I logged in.

socks · 2021-03-03T09:58:54+00:00

Yes, the signature approaches of these trolls are very much like 8chan trolls who were on Voat, and I think are on Gab, Parlor, and Ruqqus.

/u/magnora7 previously considered that the trolls were potentially from Reddit, to fuck with smaller alternative sites like Saidit. But the trend - at least more recently (contrasted with 3 years ago) - is much more like the activities of trolls on 8chan, Voat, Gab, Parlor, and Ruqqus. They have long memories of these sites and thus try to speak to the specific demographics of the sites. They were also previously on Reddit, before the banning of The_Donald and other subs.

Are they paid by special interest groups to do this? Perhaps, but I'm not sure if they have to be paid if their main interest is to push people away from certain sites to that they move to Gab, Parlor, and Ruqqus (Dio went to Ruqqus), or they avoid the extremist views on some of these sites, which thereby become hiveminds for the altright - impressively constructed by these trolls and like-minded altright SJWs.

In short, I think you're right, and that the trolls are from extreme right-wing sites (and previous right-wing sites) that are trying to consolidate influence (of disinformation and misinformation).

hennaojichan · 2021-03-03T09:41:40+00:00

Here is my speculation on this recent phenomena. Remember the Cher episode of a month or so ago? The style of the person who did that is a guy I recognize from Voat in the past. His style is unique. OK, when Voat went belly up, he started organizing his old friends from a sub called Soapbox BanHammer who were not loved and admired even on voat, and now they have come to saidit with their VPNs and evil intent but mostly just to piss everyone off. I'm talking about you Gabara. Anyone else recognize his style from voat? Can you technical people figure out how to get these folk outta here?

Airbus320 · 2021-03-03T09:07:05+00:00

Ma nigga let's not do dis

Airbus320 · 2021-03-03T08:20:12+00:00

I use the app for Android, never used the desktop version

Comatoast · 2021-03-03T07:55:28+00:00

It looks like this on mine. What kind of swanky ass set up do you have?

https://files.catbox.moe/yswqew.jpg

Edit: he's right. There's only 3 options, at least on this layout.

Airbus320 · 2021-03-03T07:55:00+00:00

A spammer in top /all

blowininthewind · 2021-03-03T07:43:36+00:00

consider posting it on my sub internet_historian!

Airbus320 · 2021-03-03T07:37:37+00:00

https://files.catbox.moe/sghfgm.png

magnora7 · 2021-03-03T05:17:19+00:00

Hey, long time no see. I've been suspicious for a long time, but I didn't want to alienate users and over-moderate in a place that's designed around escaping the censorship of reddit. It's a tough line to walk, but another forum would have different rules.

magnora7 · 2021-03-03T05:15:30+00:00

This.

grixit · 2021-03-03T04:23:32+00:00

how do you select it? When i click on the arrow by "sorted by:" it does not offer an "Old" option.

AmericanMuskrat · 2021-03-03T03:04:14+00:00

By all means add it then.

TheAmeliaMay · 2021-03-03T02:42:11+00:00

Exactly.

fschmidt · 2021-03-03T02:19:40+00:00

Sorry but I am a programmer and I am telling you that it is not difficult. Just use a decent search library like Lucene and search will work fine.

Chipit · 2021-03-03T01:59:53+00:00

It's going fine. Paid agitators are attacking the site trying to create a sense of crisis to drive users away. Ignore them.

AmericanMuskrat · 2021-03-03T01:55:38+00:00

Yeah, searches are surprisingly difficult. I don't know one good forum search engine. That problem you mention with the sort is endemic on reddit still. And they're a got an entire paid team of something not entirely unlike programmers.

Markimus · 2021-03-03T01:38:09+00:00

Well it's clear they're not trying to pass as that guy to smear him or something, they just chose his name because he's a big user on this site and maybe he annoyed one of them or something who knows.

Xihaon · 2021-03-02T22:57:13+00:00

now they're impersonating JasonCarswell

But he has a different name. Don't true impersonators use identically looking symbols with different code?

Markimus · 2021-03-02T22:46:21+00:00

Hey update on this old friend.

https://saidit.net/user/JasonCarsweIl one of these people fschmidt, loki88, mega16 and diogenesjunior who knows which but it looks like they continued doing their tricks elsewhere on your site and got themselves banned and now they're impersonating JasonCarswell and continuing to attack your site.

Please in the future for the sake of every user on this site use a bit more due diligence to assess these kinds of situations. It's very clear they were trolling from the start and I laid it all out for you. You should trust me in the future mate, I have a lot of experience dealing with jewish forum trolls after running dissident subreddits with tens of thousands of monthly uniques.

Chipit · 2021-03-02T19:54:45+00:00

Dude, don't be a dick. Use an external search engine and restrict it to this site. Yeah the search needs help, but there are other parts of the site that need work first.

Airbus320 · 2021-03-02T15:39:56+00:00

https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/5dld/request_sort_by_old/

Works for me

grixit · 2021-03-02T13:49:55+00:00

Nope, still only sorts by New, Top, Insightful, or Fun.

SubliminalCriminal · 2021-03-02T13:31:44+00:00

if i was a moderator here, absolutely ALL of this ninny ninny nonsense would be dealt with swiftly and with precision.

be happy that i am not your moderator.

now run free, while you are able.

SubliminalCriminal · 2021-03-02T13:06:08+00:00

so then if ironleft is the cause of this, then ban that sub permanently.

this forum is crumbling.

SubliminalCriminal · 2021-03-02T13:02:49+00:00

man, he had me going for a minute there... i thought that you had lost the rest of your mind, lol..

JasonCarswell · 2021-03-02T11:57:04+00:00

Thanks for understanding.

We (I) don't know what kind resources our enemies have, or may have in the future, against semi-tech-literate folks like me.

Node · 2021-03-02T10:11:06+00:00

saiditter for 1 hour

As I said, one treatment for the trolling is to make new accounts earn their commenting, voting, and posting rights over time. /u/magnora7

bobbobbybob · 2021-03-02T09:48:39+00:00

let me sing you the song of my people

hennaojichan · 2021-03-02T09:32:38+00:00

Last two letters of username is not the same as real JasonCarswell.

Airbus320 · 2021-03-02T07:36:23+00:00

Ok shill

SaidOverRed · 2021-03-02T06:37:49+00:00

Thanks for the clarification. This is fair. You're basically saying 'don't mob' and you aren't sure if it can be used to mob (technically it could but that's really unlikely).

JasonCarswell · 2021-03-02T04:39:41+00:00

AmericanMuskrat · 2021-03-02T04:17:34+00:00

I told you off cause you called me a name and it hurt my feelings. Now come round the drum circle and lets hug it out.

AirSeddit88 · 2021-03-02T04:02:09+00:00

Yep. I often reflect that our civilization was built broken, on foundations of false premises, false promises, trauma, and fear. Nothing for it really but to reflect and rebuild better.

So easily said...but "whole species [may be] exterminated in the process." -Gregory Bateson, Mind and Nature: A Necessary Unity

bobbobbybob · 2021-03-02T03:55:17+00:00

you were telling me off the other day for being quick and forward. Do you expect women to behave more demurely?

bobbobbybob · 2021-03-02T03:54:26+00:00

I shell be playing my violin as the ship sinks. then look for a new one. Until then, play on

bobbobbybob · 2021-03-02T03:52:09+00:00

Regarding /u/Airbus320: I've seen him post insightful comments, but now that I'm looking at his account overview, I do get the impression he's a troll or paid shill

total shit stirrer

JasonCarswell · 2021-03-02T00:05:36+00:00

Thank you.

I agree.

Most alarming to me is their attempts at psychological manipulation and demotivation.

JasonCarswell · 2021-03-02T00:04:41+00:00

Saved!

Thanks for the nutshell summary.

JasonCarswell · 2021-03-02T00:04:16+00:00

Message received. I'll stop pinging you. Sorry for this and the last one.

magnora7 · 2021-03-01T23:51:29+00:00

Stop pinging me Jason

Airbus320 · 2021-03-01T23:06:09+00:00

You can do it now I guess

Airbus320 · 2021-03-01T23:01:23+00:00

Insightful

Zapped · 2021-03-01T22:34:35+00:00

I was only speaking of disruption in the area of the trolls/shills, and I do think it is more than one person, but who knows. I do not want any discussion like you have begun to get derailed by them. I fully support this post, even if I am not persuaded by it. I only hope people will begin to think before they respond to comments from these trolls. They are using new tricks to stay relevant.

Optimus85 · 2021-03-01T22:31:12+00:00

A more transparent approach to banning and more openness to feedback. Nothing unreasonable.

JasonCarswell · 2021-03-01T22:27:56+00:00

Insightful comment, thank you.

I can't speak about the other drama, whether it's one or more, or different factions, or different factions under some organization - all I can do is speak for myself, and I'm not in league with any of them in any way. I can't even speak for all of DioJr's actions because the goof deleted his history - a cover up and/or a childish tantrum.

I make no demands. I'm asking for M7 to restore DioJr and employ a better system. I'm trying to protest as effectively (and thus as respectfully) as I can. I know no other way and am open to suggestions.

As for "disrupting the place", I would argue that I'm hardly that among so much inconsistency, hostile debates, psyops, and incendiary post on current events.

" I think it says a lot about M7 that we can have open discourse about how things are handled here and even harsh criticism is tolerated. "

I can wholeheartedly applaud and second that. I've never called for him to step down or any such infantile thing.

" I have't heard anything so far that I think needs to be implemented "

I'd value your feedback on this idea for fairness on SaidIt, and easing of magnora7's burdens.

Zapped · 2021-03-01T22:09:42+00:00

Ok. I've been kicking back eating some popcorn over the past week or two while I watch how this plays out. I'll throw out my opinion. I don't comment on the obvious troll/shill posts because as some have said, it only reinforces the bad behavior. This person or group needs the noise provided by those who react to them. It doesn't matter if it's a shill, troll, or someone with a vendetta (or group of these types). I suspect, as M7 said, that there are older, normal seeming sleeper accounts used to herd users in a way to create chaos or in-fighting. I personally haven't ruled out anyone, but there are a few I suspect to be sleeper accounts and a few I am fairly sure aren't. It only benefits the trolls to have these unproven accusations against each other within these kinds of discussions. I also suspect the troll is accusing his own accounts of being complicit to add even more confusion. I have noticed certain "patterns" with certain users, but without more than suspicion, I will continue to respectfully interact with others as long as they show the same respect.

With that said, I do think that because this is a privately run site open to the public, the owner/head admin has the final say and authority to do as they want and anyone disrupting the place with demands and stunts should be banned. Most of us are guests here, even if some here have gone above to enriched this site with their contributions and building skills. I think it says a lot about M7 that we can have open discourse about how things are handled here and even harsh criticism is tolerated. Discussion like this is good for the site while it is still relatively small, but the fighting and mudslinging can only help the one(s) trying to disrupt the conversation and cohesiveness even amongst differing points of view. I don't have the skill set or desire for moderating a website and I have't heard anything so far that I think needs to be implemented, but I like that people here are willing to discuss these things.

You know, Pyramid of Debate and all that stuff.

Node · 2021-03-01T21:54:37+00:00

We must relearn respect, humility, civility, virtue, if we are to survive to rebuild civilization after the present crisis. Free speech, the unfettered exchange of ideas, is essential.

This will only be possible if the present crisis is actually solved, which will make it necessary to rebuild civilization. None of that can happen while our society is overrun by our enemies.

Node · 2021-03-01T21:21:37+00:00

Now I see the difference. Airbus must have made a comment at some point that made an impression on me, but you wouldn't guess that by his last page of comments.

Airbus320 · 2021-03-01T19:18:22+00:00

No plz don't

Airbus320 · 2021-03-01T17:37:18+00:00

Lets all be careful

JasonCarswell · 2021-03-01T16:46:43+00:00

/u/magnora7 I forgot the 7 above.

JasonCarswell · 2021-03-01T16:46:23+00:00

I'm often editing my work - always to improve typos, grammar, and for clarity. I never edit to remove things. I stand by what I say, always. I'll openly admit I may change my mind, and I'll state it, but I won't edit anything to hide something.

FYI, I simply added the last 2 paragraphs to the first, in order to ping this site's admin, M7 who I'd forgotten the 7 but have now properly pinged.

JasonCarswell · 2021-03-01T16:41:43+00:00

Fair enough. You're new here. If you knew me you'd know I'm like this. I'm simply being cautious, especially when I'm putting myself at risk of being banned after ~2.5 years for a friend.

If you're legit, welcome to SaidIt. Sorry about the mess. We're trying to improve things.

chon · 2021-03-01T16:31:59+00:00

It's your post. I'm investing my time as well. I could say the same for you. Stop judging.

I'll disengage.

JasonCarswell · 2021-03-01T16:29:39+00:00

Thanks for the info!

Just look at the history of /u/bald-janitor.

I also wonder if he's replacing his old comments with that copypasta because it looks like I actually voted for a couple of those.

Ping, on the chance /u/magnora7 doesn't know.

JasonCarswell · 2021-03-01T16:25:15+00:00

What specifically do you wish to know that I haven't stated.

Without specifics, I'll consider you a timesuck troll to be ignored, which may be unfortunate, but right now there is a culture war that's bled onto SaidIt along with different protests seeking improvements.

Feel free to browse through /u/JasonCarswell as you see fit.

chon · 2021-03-01T16:19:15+00:00

I just wanted you to explain yourself. I should have been more clear. There is no bad faith in my comment.

Edit: I see you edited your comment.

I'm also editing: To show I'm being transparent. I'm a new account. I've lurked an decided to speak. Pitch forking all new accounts is not polite.

JasonCarswell · 2021-03-01T16:15:39+00:00

/u/magnora meet /u/chon who seems suspicious.

Also /u/SubliminalCriminal.

I wouldn't know how to tell new trolls from legit accounts, though the amount of activity might seem suspicious for a newbie.

SubliminalCriminal · 2021-03-01T16:12:04+00:00

Compared to the wisdom of them, we all act like children.

chon · 2021-03-01T16:00:12+00:00

You are highly motivated, which could be taken as suspicious.

You use your real life name on a saidit account? If that is indeed the case, also suspicious.

I'd like to believe there are more good people than bad. But this is the internet, one person can represent 40 persons. lol

Comatoast · 2021-03-01T15:34:37+00:00

8kun=imageboard. Ancient pastas (referring to TEAM BRO'ERHOOD I assume)=old copied/pasted shit from there. Is he indicating that we're being attacked by 8kun? If that's the case, this whole thing can be resolved by responding with brigades of lower-case one word racial slur responses?It looks too overly thought out to be from there, overly Reddit-y.

Airbus320 · 2021-03-01T15:28:40+00:00

They all are trying to trick us Jason!

JasonCarswell · 2021-03-01T15:20:03+00:00

You are sounding strange now, lets go away

How very peculiar that you used that "go away" phrase.

Here's the PM correspondence from /u/bald-janitor:

bald-janitor its time we all go away jason

[–] from bald-janitor sent 16 hours ago

They don't want us here anymore

[–] to bald-janitor sent 16 hours ago

Go to where?

Who are they?

What's up with all your TEAM BRO'HOOD comments?

[–] from bald-janitor sent 15 hours ago

You ask to many questions

[–] from bald-janitor sent 46 minutes ago

8kun

They are evil people

Those are ancient pastas

[–] to bald-janitor sent 31 minutes ago

What are you even talking about?

Airbus320 · 2021-03-01T15:11:30+00:00

You are sounding strange now, lets go away

JasonCarswell · 2021-03-01T14:50:20+00:00

Also, /u/bald-janitor PMed me yesterday and again today with complete nonsense, like they're bots or something. First times.

I can quote them if anyone cares. Because it's nonsense I don't feel like I'll break anyone's confidence.

Airbus320 · 2021-03-01T14:44:06+00:00

We all are trolling now

JasonCarswell · 2021-03-01T14:42:27+00:00

I'm not demanding. I'm asking. Nagging at best. The IronLeft have demands. There is a difference.

You're trolling. That's worse.

JasonCarswell · 2021-03-01T14:36:15+00:00

I said it's okay to list the times and locations, but not the actual addresses. They may belong to me, someone I know, or someone innocent - or not. Let's start there.

If there's an IP from Russia or whatever then we need to figure out why. The IP doesn't really matter at that point. Security does. We/I'll need to narrow down why.

I don't know enough about IP security, ddos, and all that shit. So I don't want random addresses attacked or whatever by whatever kind of association they allegedly have with me.

If /u/d3rr says it's okay then I'll say release all the IP's that are not in Windsor Ontario Canada for almost full disclosure.

Also, feel free to use the SaidIt and SaidIt-chat server records.

JasonCarswell · 2021-03-01T14:28:39+00:00

508,000 hours.

You act like a child for someone almost 58 years old.

JasonCarswell · 2021-03-01T14:26:33+00:00

I put myself out there.

I don't want my computer jammed up or hacked and obviously I won't share financial info.

I said it's okay to list the times and locations, but not the actual addresses. They may belong to me, someone I know, or someone innocent - or not.

If they do not all list Windsor Ontario then we have a problem.

Airbus320 · 2021-03-01T14:23:32+00:00

u/bobbobbybob would be very very happy with that. Lets do it for his sake, oh and dont forget your veggies

JasonCarswell · 2021-03-01T14:21:22+00:00

Nice try.

JasonCarswell · 2021-03-01T14:19:39+00:00

Yes, until yesterday /u/Airbus320 was on my /s/friends for being insightful.

IMO, keep the playing field even - but give the players different colour shirts they earn.

Keep in mind, age and/or high points do not necessarily mean high quality, so M7 and/or the community can determine who is worthy of the top-tier/advisor status, or whatever we call it. AND because it's all open, people can fade, make mistakes, etc etc etc and lose that status. For more on the tiers see the chart.

No extra powers, just earned visible respect.

It could go the other way too. People who troll accumulate downward minor infractions (with expiration) until they strike out. Major strikes are another thing. IMO strike out should literally mean ~~strike out~~ and not be censored/removed unless it's illegal content.

JasonCarswell · 2021-03-01T14:07:58+00:00

Exactly.

Why has /u/Airbus320 made 20 comments, all stirring the pot, in my post here?

JasonCarswell · 2021-03-01T14:05:45+00:00

Says the guy who's made how many comments in MY post?

Airbus320 · 2021-03-01T13:22:05+00:00

Troller detected

Airbus320 · 2021-03-01T13:12:24+00:00

Its all u/boeing737's alt

LarrySwinger2 · 2021-03-01T13:07:15+00:00

Oh, once more regarding /u/Airbus320. Turns out I was just confusing him for /u/AirSeddit88. The latter's an actual contributor, the former just spams and has been here for only 3 months.

Node · 2021-03-01T12:44:03+00:00

The difference is that members gradually get more voting power as they establish themselves (both for post and comment voting). This makes infiltration more difficult, but still allows everyone to participate.

Exactly.

TheAmeliaMay · 2021-03-01T12:19:49+00:00

Yep, can't beat that.

Jesus-Christ · 2021-03-01T12:12:39+00:00

100% bro this was the golden era, even though I'd say Saidit is in it's early days still.

LarrySwinger2 · 2021-03-01T11:54:15+00:00

I use Tor and connect through a different IP address every session. Try to beat that!

LarrySwinger2 · 2021-03-01T11:28:42+00:00

Case in point.

Airbus320 · 2021-03-01T11:28:13+00:00

😡

LarrySwinger2 · 2021-03-01T11:25:37+00:00

IMO, new accounts should need to earn their commenting, voting, and posting rights from the existing user base.

How are users going to earn their rights if they can't comment or post? I think barriers to entry are a bad idea, because its bars the contributors as well. I, for one, wouldn't be here if such a system were used. Contributing means giving – I can't stand needing to earn that. I think the system used on Hacker News is a step up. They have downvotes like on Reddit, which I think is a good thing by itself. The difference is that members gradually get more voting power as they establish themselves (both for post and comment voting). This makes infiltration more difficult, but still allows everyone to participate.

Regarding /u/Airbus320: I've seen him post insightful comments, but now that I'm looking at his account overview, I do get the impression he's a troll or paid shill. No idea why else he'd start spamming like that.

AmericanMuskrat · 2021-03-01T10:16:08+00:00

I knew Jason has a background in animation and did web stuff, but I didn't know he did that kind of programming.

Airbus320 · 2021-03-01T10:12:36+00:00

Breeder s/childfree

AmericanMuskrat · 2021-03-01T10:03:12+00:00

That was legitimately insightful. It's why you can't be friends with your subordinates, and it sucks.

jet199 · 2021-03-01T10:01:33+00:00

And stalking as well.

jet199 · 2021-03-01T10:01:00+00:00

Dammit, 8 months! I could have had a baby in that time (if I was actually allowed to get within 2m of other human beings irl).

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