Is there possible to remove a sub permanently? (Not making it private)

LickmyassPussy · 2020-09-23T05:53:24+00:00

Sigh.It is basic saddit101.

diogenesjunior · 2020-09-22T23:38:11+00:00

Thanks for the response. I believe that this is the best way to handle a situation like this - if and when the time comes.

Enza · 2020-09-22T23:23:19+00:00

It was an island sub disconnected from the rest of SaidIt. SaidIt agreed to host the sub as long as it didn’t show up under new/all, but it was a streaming community. We watched several streamers. And laughed at the shit they did. As one sub, we up a good majority of SaidIt’s userbase.

There was one streamer in particular who was an absolute degenerate, literal pedophile, and we had concrete, objective evidence (like video or screenshots) of him being a pedo, doing cocaine live on stream, being racist and many other things. He hates that (it’s why we were banned from reddit. He follows us from place to place, hoping he can get rid of us). That was ice Poseidon. We were named ice Poseidon 2 because we were the part of his fan base that realize what a pos he was and broke off from his fan base and became like a kiwi farms or lolcow, but for multiple streamers.

He wanted our sub shut down because he felt it affected his “potential career” via streaming which he already ruined through his own degenerate actions, so he started attacking SaidIt, as well as messaging saidit’s host, until SaidIt was forced to remove our sub.

magnora7 · 2020-09-22T22:14:06+00:00

I can appoint a mod if one is needed, and I'll judge who is best-suited by who posts the best content in that sub

3rdFuckingAccount · 2020-09-22T18:17:25+00:00

being genuine racists, white supremacists, etc.

I don't see any problem with that. Also, here have this

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diogenesjunior · 2020-09-22T13:18:36+00:00

What happens to subs without mods btw? I'm pretty new so I don't know.

maybe /u/magnora7 can answer?

LickmyassPussy · 2020-09-22T12:46:00+00:00

Full of lazy shitty moderator iut tgere.

3rdFuckingAccount · 2020-09-22T10:11:10+00:00

Yeah its probably either a paid spambot or some fag using saidit as a bot testing platform

JFVG · 2020-09-22T08:35:15+00:00

I've noticed that, the account that keeps posting irrelevant links to a site called 'My Time'. Maybe it's one of those things where a site's paid someone to get them hits, so they just spam them all over the place.

JFVG · 2020-09-22T08:29:15+00:00

What was that sub about? I used to see loads of posts from it on the 'new' page and couldn't figure out what it was. Actually that's the case for lots of subs, I'll click on them and they don't explain what they are in the sidebar.

Pis-dur · 2020-09-22T06:16:00+00:00

Exactly, keep posting, be consistent in it and be patient.

Enza · 2020-09-22T02:39:35+00:00

A lot changed among SaidIt's userbase and activity after /s/Ice_Poseidon2 was banned, I noticed. In the months leading up to it, and following it.

TheAmeliaMay · 2020-09-22T01:16:16+00:00

/s/Prohibition doesn't have any mods and it's title says "Prohibition and how it fails" which... I don't really like. General subs like this shouldn't be biased towards any particular political viewpoint so that the users can make their arguments for or against it. Also: only anti-Prohibition articles have been posted.

What happens to subs without mods btw? I'm pretty new so I don't know.

All1000wombats · 2020-09-22T01:11:55+00:00

Sites like this go through phases early on. Banwaves on reddit or web censorship on other sites will drive a bunch of new users here and activity will spike for a little bit, then sadly die down. In order to make this site viable in the long-term we need to stay active and keep posting new content in multiple subs until saidit has enough users that it becomes self sustaining.

JFVG · 2020-09-21T21:47:39+00:00

I made a sub on here a while back, I posted a few things to it hoping to get the ball rolling but it didn't take off, so I stopped posting to it as it just looked like me having a conversation with myself. So now it's sitting there adding to the list of dead subs.

JFVG · 2020-09-21T21:44:43+00:00

Maybe that should be the criteria for creating a sub on here. It'd be packed!

Popper · 2020-09-21T20:29:15+00:00

anything that isn't already banned on reddit is not going to take off here

zyxzevn · 2020-09-21T20:10:36+00:00

People create subs and then leave. Some are to ruqqus or voat or other.
If you make a sub, you have to put unique content on it too.
So some people make one, and then know nothing to fill it with after a few posts.

FediNetizen · 2020-09-21T19:46:54+00:00

When you join you get default subscribed to a lot of subs (including some really retarded ones), but most people aren't actually interested in that stuff, so there's no activity despite have 35k+ users.

A lot of those big subs are only moderated by M7 and aren't really actively maintained.

Assuming that 38k number accounts for most accounts, you're talking about like 40k users that have ever signed up for Saidit. It's still a really tiny website compared to something like reddit, and it's hampered by a large part of the userbase being genuine racists, white supremacists, etc.

We just don't have a large active userbase yet.

magnora7 · 2020-09-20T05:43:03+00:00

It already does and there's a link to it in the footer

https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/wiki/index#wiki_apps_.26amp.3B_clients

Conductive-rabbi · 2020-09-19T09:16:09+00:00

Uh huh

HighQueenofFemmes · 2020-09-17T21:53:18+00:00

Sir, you write with the clarity of Judith Butler. I honestly can't understand what you're trying to say half the time. I will just say this: some of us moved over here from reddit so we could reestablish our banned communities while retaining the same rules and guidelines we already had in place. While we understand that we must share this site with white supremacists, anti-Semites, and vocal misogynists, we are willing to respect your right to your spaces as long you respect our right to ours. The women on the Lesbian sub have no wish to debate the ethics of homosexuality and gay marriage or converse with men in general. Just as the men on the MGTOW or Red Pill subs probably don't wish to deal with women spamming their subs with feminist rhetoric. It just isn't what they're there for. They are there to speak with like-minded individuals about whatever their interests, thoughts, and frustrations. The GC sub which, from what I understand, is steeped in feminist rhetoric, probably takes the same approach. There are plenty of subs that invite and encourage debate, and if not, feel free to start one. Feel free to invite your red pill MGTOW friends here as well. Just tell them to the read the rules before posting in a sub (as I'm sure they are already accustomed to on Reddit).

And feel free to block me. The loss of your cherished company will be keenly felt, but time heals all wounds.

SaidOverRed · 2020-09-17T20:24:41+00:00

Oof, that might be true. I had heard that before but was unwilling to test. I have been doing that for a while now and don't have any good counter-examples for you. It's a good thing I'm not going full Steven Crowder with a banner or anything. I'm just looking for casual conversation that goes a bit deeper. I just was hoping saidit would have that thanks to the pyramid of debate idea.

Reddit doesn't have reasonable arguments, precisely because everything is an echo chamber. Even the ones that are set up as debates don't allow for 'how does this principle in this sub interact with that principle over there.' Despite being seemingly on topic, they are still removed because they don't reinforce the you versus me stuff.

SaidOverRed · 2020-09-17T20:06:34+00:00

If you'd like stick to your guns when you say "I really don't give a shit about the context of your remark either" then you've lost the argument and are not conversing in bad faith. I don't read material presented in bad faith, especially when presented either poorly or in hostility, so I won't bother with the rest of that. I live by Hanlon's razor, even if I'm not given the same benefit of the doubt.

I'll let you try again, if you'd like to reverse that position on where a person's coming from, but to be honest any keyboard vomit other than that and I'm just going to block you. If you wanted to show that you can get me to 'ease up' on 'let's not be reddit' idea, you can take that as a win, if it makes you feel better. I don't normally block people on message boards, in fact I don't have a single person blocked on reddit and I subbed to pretty much every non-porn quarantined sub I could find. Maybe all the awful people I've found over there still kind of ... care? I'm not sure what that says about you, but you deserve to know. I consider that action a last resort, but it's awfully hard to have a discussion with someone who basically doesn't believe in the pyramid of debate and then combines that with other red-level name-calling. There's only so much eye-rolling I can take. Maybe if your insults have ever had any truth in them, I could have gained some introspection from listening to them.

SaidOverRed · 2020-09-17T19:40:15+00:00

Then re-read the OP. I don't care about how echo chambers are formed, doubly since you didn't tell me any specifics I didn't already know (which I told you). This has to do with why they have no warnings and why they are mixed in with more normal subs.

Alright since the https://saidit.net/static/PyramidDebate.jpg orange-level adhominems ("try and sound smart", "crass") and yellow-level tone responses ("be respectful" "use tact" "ill-mannered") won't stop, whilst simultaneously insisting I'm not using the pyramid of debate, I'll take this slow on the off-chance you do not realize that you have one attempt at a purple-level refutation ('I like echo chambers for their comraderie') with an attempt at a teal-level counter-argument about a statistical niche for echo chambers. This attempted counter-argument was misplaced, because you were simply arguing for the same thing that I was, ie "I am fine with allowing echo chambers on saidit", which I tried to redirect you away from talking about simply "having restrictive subs" to "about being able to discern what is a normal place".

If you'd like me to readdress the camaraderie part, I will be happy to do that. If anything, my suggestion about standardized 'keep out' warning signs or /ec/ instead of /s/ should only reinforce what I'm saying: separate places for camaraderie that statistically low-number groups might want to be sure of. But gaslighting me about not having a central point or refuting others is not okay. I am pretty good about staying on topic, but I will not apologize for seeing connections to said topics others may not.

SaidOverRed · 2020-09-17T19:11:43+00:00

You mean, like the top comment here? Because if that's the bar that got set, then I'm doing far better than that. You're leaning awfully hard on that "should" about sidebars. Compare to my "convoluted" mention in the OP. A warning would be nice so people can use more than one sub at a time, rapidly, back and forth, without having to wonder about what self-censorship to apply. I've got one universal setting and it's been good enough for everywhere except GC and /r/MGTOW. Although, come to think of it, they are two sides of the same coin.

Maybe reddit just has nicer users. I'm not sure. Here's the end of a nice DM chain I just got about philosophy from redpillwives. I won't paste the name of the user, but I think the anonymous text is suitable to share: "I see, and yes I agree. With the polarity comes also interdependence and that's why it would not be accepted in TRP. They need to drill in the independent man, "you don't need women", idea.

But it's the same with feminism, exactly the same, but from a position of not accepting there is any polarity. TRP accepts the polarity, the difference between men and women, but develops its ideas pragmatically and stoically, I'd say, withdrawing rather than being in your face hysterical."

Those are her words not mine. Ironically I was telling this user to come to saidit because the mods aren't as crazy. But if it's common for innocent users to get banned for wrong-think in subs without clear warning labels, I might have to take that back. Reddit has freakin' quarantine pages!

southpaw · 2020-09-17T01:29:30+00:00

I don’t know what you want. I don’t go on s/GenderCritical and you posted this on s/Saidit where everyone can see it. If you want to know specifically about GenderCritcal bans, ask them. I gave you an example of how “echo chambers” are formed, and since you seemed to know about r/ActualLesbians I used that situation. People gave you well thought out responses and you DID NOT use the Pyramid of Debate. Instead, you wrote a lot to try and sound smart and came off rather crass. If you want answers to questions and to encourage “Enlightenment Thinking” be respectful and use tact. If you are wondering why you get banned, maybe it is because you comment to people in a arrogant and ill-mannered way. And yes, you did come onto the s/lesbians board and post some nonsense.

HighQueenofFemmes · 2020-09-17T00:17:46+00:00

where you can politely speak your mind

It seems to be the "politely" bit that you struggle with. Also, the sidebar rules should give you enough information as to what is permitted in any given sub.

HighQueenofFemmes · 2020-09-16T22:44:18+00:00

I don't need to stalk you. I have already interacted with you and seen your posts all over the Lesbian board. I really don't give a shit about the context of your remark either. I have already seen the snide "this is what you get for being a homo" tone of all your posts on our board, so I can already imagine how you come across on others. And considering the fact that "gender critical" falls into a feminist subcategory (what the far left would categorize as "TERFS": an acronym with "radical feminist" in the name) it's no wonder they might have little tolerance for your thinly veiled attacks against feminism as a whole. That isn't the specified purpose of the sub, just as the it isn't the specified purpose of s/Lesbians to debate the "morality" of homosexuality. If you violate the purpose of a given sub with a disingenuous attempt to "debate" (which for you, often takes the form of snide assertions of moral or political superiority) don't be surprised when you get banned.

Clearly you are proud to be of such a high moral character that you have overcome your desire for hairy, male bodies and stiff cocks enough to pursue heterosexuality and traditional gender norms. Truely sir, you are a paragon of virtue. You must forgive the rest of us for failing short of the mark.

SaidOverRed · 2020-09-16T20:14:00+00:00

I had this queued, but I was expecting more traffic before posting. Perhaps that was a mistake and the reply should have been given earlier. Live and learn:

Another good idea would be to have side bars list what is a good reason to automatically ban a person for participating. For instance a black nationalist sub that conveniently forgets to mention they are not just black nationalists, but black nationalists who must be black (and therefore ban non-blacks that are also black nationalists). Yes, that would be difficult to show. Yes, mods appear to stalk users outside the sub they mod for (just like reddit). But that's a question for another time.

SaidOverRed · 2020-09-16T20:09:39+00:00

Uh, I already know all of that wall of text.

I challenge the relevance, though, because you said 'that sub' but then continue to talk about what I assume is /s/ lesbians. But I never mentioned that subseddit. I only mentioned /s/ GenderCritical. I suppose if you want to address my examples, you may refrain a reply of the above in the context of /s/ GenderCritical. I'd like that.

I am purposely not linking heavily to these examples, because they are just that: examples. This is a much larger, site-wide issue just some small problem on a handful of subs. If I am to actually use this site, I have to know where I can speak openly and where I shouldn't bother posting since the wrong-think will just get me banned.

Sanity check: yup I mentioned "An example of this on reddit is" and "An example of this behavior on saidit".

SaidOverRed · 2020-09-16T20:03:20+00:00

Sigh. I'm really not complaining about having restrictive subs. You want /r/blackpeople to be for black people? Go for it. You want your white nationalist playgrounds? Go for it. This is about being able to discern what is a normal place (where you can politely speak your mind) and what is not (where you get banned for wrongthink).

But maybe you still can't understand, so let me bring in Sargon of Akkad for a moment. What you just said is clears throat: "Too bad niggers ... still won't get it." See how that sounds? Do you get why having a simple warning banner might a good idea now?

SaidOverRed · 2020-09-16T19:52:11+00:00

First of all, I find the stalking creepy. Drop the ad-hominems. It's a bad look.

Second of all: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Internet,_nobody_knows_you%27re_a_dog . I post in different manners depending on where I am at. My only real consistency are things such as: honesty, intelligence, empathy, counterfactualism, morality, etc, etc. Woof.

Thirdly: your dishonest attempts to summarize my words are nails on a chalk board. Not only have I done no such thing, it's actually pretty actually very ironic, if you had more information (which you have proven yourself very unworthy of).

Fourthly: I'm a bit surprised you had the gall to give an (out of context quote). Allow me to educate you: there is something in language called 'mood.' It allows story telling from positions other than the speaker. The point of the story was that gay men often have other ... how do I put this politely ... affinities which are still illegal but are being pushed by Netflix, the NYT, etc. And in that story it explains how pressures from very advocacy groups has resulted in exactly the kind of male takeover of lesbian spaces that you abhor. This story was highly relevant to the point of view being mocked in the thread, and thus the issue at hand. I admit that I personally do find the position worthy of mockery. But it's connection with other ideas was highly relevant. If you actually think I, as an individual, have an ultra-feminist teacher, you're mistaken. I would not tolerate such behavior personally. However, many males (and females) today do not have that luxury or do not have the strength of character to clear those things from their lives, thus story does include those elements. Do you not follow, or is it too pedantic? No one likes an explained joke, just like no one likes and explained meme, or a story that could be described in a few sentences via linguistic mood rather than fifteen paragraphs without it. You say "we fucking get it," but you don't. Debates are about attack, which does not interest me. It's about open, simply communication ... commenting, if you will.

Conductive-rabbi · 2020-09-16T19:03:47+00:00

😮

forwardback · 2020-09-16T15:29:18+00:00

Such a well written and reasonable description, and explanation, of restricted subs! Too bad men, such as the adamant ones on this post, still won't get it, or even care. Sigh.

HighQueenofFemmes · 2020-09-16T14:36:42+00:00

Based on the comments you posted on the s/Lesbian board, I really doubt that you are interested in genuine debate. When, as a straight male, you go onto a board specifically designed for lesbian camaraderie and lesbian-specific issues and start posting about how morally superior heterosexuals are, you are clearly only interested in stirring up shit. How exactly is someone in the Gender Critical sub supposed to debate comments like: "But didn't you know? It's moral to be gay now. And since I'm attracted to women, but my ultra-feminist teacher says straight males are #SourceOfAllEvil so that means.."? Yes, we fucking get it. You think we're all a bunch of immoral degenerates. What exactly do you wish to debate?

southpaw · 2020-09-16T14:03:22+00:00

I do see what you are saying about an echo chamber vs a sub that engages in actual debate. When you are not in an echo chamber, it allows for discussion and a free flow of ideas. It also allows your opinion to be challenged and force you to see issues from another angle. However, there are also some subs that exist to allow for the camaraderie of a shared experience. As you pointed out on Reddit, r/actuallesbians was taken over by a lot of transwomen/supporters and banned anyone who didn’t agree with their belief that lesbians should fully embrace trans women as actual women. The mods over there strongly discouraged discussions about periods and other women’s issues, and would ban people who said they didn’t want to have sex with someone who still had a penis attached to them. The “refugees” from that sub made a new sub which was lost in The Great Ban Wave. Understandably, that sub on Saidit, doesn’t want to repeat history, so they made a rule that you have to be a female-born lesbian to participate in that sub. While that might sound like an echo chamber, there is still debate amongst the participants in that sub over issues that affect them. For instance, some users on that sub may support trans women 100% but disagree with TRAs violent bullying, while others may support a transperson’s right to transition but not their acceptance in women’s sports/prisons/shelters, whereas there are others who do not accept transwomen at all. From the outside, it may just look like they all just hate transwomen, but the topic is more nuanced than that because of their history and lived experiences as lesbians. Lesbians make up less than 2% of the population, and it is easy for their voices to get drowned out, especially in this current political climate. Also, since they are such a small group, it is nice to meet other women who may have a similar experiences as you, especially if you don’t know any other lesbians.

anfd · 2020-09-16T06:27:12+00:00

The idea that you can convince anyone who disagrees with you with reasonable arguments on the internet is pretty far fetched. Not saying that there aren't some individuals who can do it, but most people on the internet who claim to be able and willing to do it, are not in fact able, and some are not even willing, to do it.

SaidOverRed · 2020-09-16T01:06:04+00:00

This.

Also, do the /s/saidit admins check the threads like this for ideas or is there a separate area for submissions?

SaidOverRed · 2020-09-16T00:54:58+00:00

Yes that is a constant theme between 1st wave feminism all the way to the current 4th wave. On second thought, that's probably why they banned me. I pointed out the obvious connections between 3rd and 4th wave feminism.

I'm not one of them (my OS isn't leftism), but I can see why that would make them angry. The whole reason they are here is because they refused to 'update' to the latest patch of leftism. Software maintainers get angry when they are reminded that their software is legacy, even when everyone already knows it.

SaidOverRed · 2020-09-16T00:51:04+00:00

That does make sense. That's why having a warning banner and /ec/ instead of a /s/ is necessary to make sure everyone knows that although similar subs are not for free speech, they are just nestled in a larger free speech community.

A simple 'there be dragons' seems reasonable to me; it doesn't stop them from doing what they are doing. It might even ease their moderation burden. I wouldn't know, but must be tiring to ban everyone you disagree with.

SaidOverRed · 2020-09-16T00:47:23+00:00

I have heard this. It seems to be mildly common red pill wisdom. I do see areas where this is definitely true. But I have a beef that probably prevents me from making having a larger objective opinion on it. So I leave it be for now.

I'm not sure why that's relevant, other than to point out why someone as innocuous as me got banned from there. Perhaps it was because I told them I was also banned from /r/MGTOW. I'm not sure. They did find that rather funny. The irony abounds. At least saidit has the moderation log public so I could figure out what I did "wrong." Apparently it was to simply disagree with 'we are x' and 'we will later make a debate sub' and just assume I would think this means NO DISSENT ALLOWED or whatever. I view this as a reddit toxicity hold-over.

zyxzevn · 2020-09-15T21:29:15+00:00

One problem is that most Gender issues come from severe Psychiatric problems and severe Social problems.

But due to the degradation of science by the left, these problems have been converted to traits.

Chipit · 2020-09-15T19:30:26+00:00

This is one of feminism's biggest problems: the refusal to admit the good faith of opposing arguments. Anything contrary is immoral and thus must be motivated by the worst emotions.

Ironically this led to the reddit bans as others learned this method from feminists and used it against them. It was wonderful.

Chipit · 2020-09-15T19:19:23+00:00

The secret to understanding is that they are not in favor of free speech. They are only in favor of their own speech.

Once you understand this, it all falls into place. They reject Enlightenment thinking that tells us we arrive at truth through argument and debate. Since their political ideology is synonymous with morality, to disagree with them is to be immoral.

Yes, they really think this way.

missdaisycan · 2020-09-15T16:41:13+00:00

Lol, yes, actually, I believe people are responsible to be aware of what legal obligations they're signing.

Doesn't mean that crisis was caused by them solely, however.

SaidOverRed · 2020-09-15T16:31:15+00:00

I am aware. I would call setting back on the same communities after a ban a 'flight', but I suppose there is some hair to be split somewhere in there that doesn't make it sound like "evasion". I made a small edit to appease you.

Shortcuts are good, yes. That's the reason we don't all define every single word we use as we use them. When you say "the entire sidebar," you should have said 'that one little part we nearly hid.' Are you one of those people who blamed the subprime mortgage crisis on borrowers who didn't read the fine print?

SaidOverRed · 2020-09-15T16:26:33+00:00

"Just accept my insult, you stranger!" Classic well-thought out leftism. No wonder they make for poor judges.

missdaisycan · 2020-09-15T15:22:48+00:00

1 GC didn't flee from r/, it was banned.

There are other gender critical subsaidits where your posts may be welcome.
So even though you write detailed posts yourself, you'd like shortcuts, so you wouldn't have to read the entire sidebar. Umm...

Tovasshi · 2020-09-15T13:46:10+00:00

Just admit you hate women and move on.

3rdFuckingAccount · 2020-09-15T10:02:13+00:00

The feds use this technique. Its called "TOPIC DILUTION"

yishengqingwa666 · 2020-09-15T08:38:13+00:00

LOL, sure. Uh huh.

3rdFuckingAccount · 2020-09-15T05:46:53+00:00

Nemesis · 2020-09-15T05:20:52+00:00

If it's interesting content, why not? Post something, if it gets votes people look at it, if it's shit it gets thrown into the back pages. Let users decide with their eyes and their clicks. If it isn't content and its just an ad then I understand taking it down, but posting OC should be roundly encouraged, it's what sites like this run on. If I post a meme I make, surely this isn't "self-promotion"?

Nemesis · 2020-09-15T05:14:45+00:00

sadly agreed, it's an echo of that old cycle, of the death of the old internet in the face of waves of migrants looking for a new refuge.
old antiextremes was comfy as hell, now everything's political, though I blame the politicization of every aspect of society rather than saidit or any other single website.

3rdFuckingAccount · 2020-09-15T04:46:57+00:00

Self promotion is allowed now?

SierraKiloBravo · 2020-09-15T04:45:45+00:00

Thanks (I think). Coincidentally I decided yesterday to no longer post here because there seems to be little interest in original user created content. Since the last one or two influxes of users Reddit, the front page is a dumpster fire, and even innocuous sounding topics only take minutes to devolve into the same old arguments. I joined up around two years ago and I’m sad to say, it ain’t what it used to be.

lawuigi · 2020-09-15T04:28:38+00:00

I'm definitely more of a fan of the activity requirement to maintain mod control. Elections are admittedly going to be messy and probably be useless overall.

lawuigi · 2020-09-15T04:25:33+00:00

Nice! I wish you good luck in your endeavors!

MarkJefferson · 2020-09-15T04:19:22+00:00

Every sub you are subbed to when you create an new account are default. Idk, I guess the admin choose them.

lawuigi · 2020-09-15T04:06:47+00:00

Sorry, I'm getting a bit ranty. I need to clarify myself.

"M7 choses to run his site as he sees fit." I have no disagreements here.

My comment was going more for saying that we as a user base of this site shouldn't be entitled and shoulder our expectations onto /u/magnora7. He is open and receptive to ideas from the community but this only works if we put them out here in this sub and discuss them. I just want to encourage us to lay out thoughts and ideas; good, bad, and ugly. Then dig through all the muck and see if there is a tiny gem of something that is worth consideration. If we waste a thread and come up with nothing at the end, well, at least we tried. There is plenty of room in this sub to do this and I feel we don't need another thread for this.

If this has been brought up before then I apologize and am willing to put this aside.

Nemesis · 2020-09-15T02:51:48+00:00

/u/sierrakilobravo just spams because he's promoting his youtube channel, which is actually pretty good.

SaidOverRed · 2020-09-15T02:06:06+00:00

How can I see what subs count as "default"? What is the process for becoming a "default" sub?

WarmPotato · 2020-09-15T00:33:00+00:00

thanks

littlepinkhouses · 2020-09-15T00:09:35+00:00

And then create /s/SaidItTownSquareTownSquare fore a discussion place on the town square.

I agree with everything you said. If more than one person wants to be the new mod then I think /u/magnora7 has access to all the intelligence needed to determine who better has the best intentions for the site. The process could include one month for public comments to persuade /u/magnora7 one way or another.

Horrux · 2020-09-14T17:33:41+00:00

Ice_Poseidon2 was a sub on here used by kids to throw low IQ insults at each other, make fun of anything that should be taken seriously and basically just being giant smelly unwiped assholes. I for one will not miss it.

JasonCarswell · 2020-09-14T16:44:16+00:00

Happy to help true believer.

diogenesjunior · 2020-09-14T16:42:35+00:00

Thanks for the advice. I've temporarily turned off the bot and will be implementing you're ideas. I was streaming posts from /r/atheism, but I suppose I could get posts from the "hot" category instead. Also add a time delay to the code. Thanks again!

JasonCarswell · 2020-09-14T16:39:21+00:00

Oh, interesting. And funny. I just PM'd that bot to say The Great Flood of atheist posts will be too much to be noticed here. Either they'll be passed over or ignored. If it's like spam people may ask you to remove /s/Atheism from the SaidIt front page. Perhaps you can make the bot only post the top trending posts from Reddit rather than all of them? Perhaps M7D3 might help you if needs be.

Also, importantly, I recommend you make a couple changes. Just as you've created /u/Atheism, I recommend you create /u/Atheism_Bot for your bot. Also add to the sidebox of your /s/Atheism something about the automated process from Reddit. People will appreciate the open transparency and deal with it as they see fit (ie. ignore, recognize and acknowledge, accept, not respond to a bot, protest to M7, applaud to M7, whatever). If you were to do so I'd be the first to raise this up as a perfect example of how to use bots properly on SaidIt - and I'd praise you to /u/magnora7 and /u/d3rr.

diogenesjunior · 2020-09-14T16:19:49+00:00

I have currently set up AutoModerator and have a bot running that checks new posts from /r/atheism and posts them to /s/atheism. I agree with you though, co-modding the sub would be the best choice.

JasonCarswell · 2020-09-14T16:09:16+00:00

Congrats!

As an atheist, I'll be happy to see more there. I find it to be the lowest of the skeptics fruit, easy enough to understand that there are no invisible pink unicorns.

IMO, you shouldn't leave, just co-mod. If they ask you to leave, maybe consider it, but also consider why they must dominate it.

I encourage anyone (except asstrolls) to co-mod my subs, though few have accepted, and even fewer have even asked.

Depends what you mean - I consider subs as "topics" (ie. metatags) and/or "communities" - but above all SaidIt is my community.

WarmPotato · 2020-09-14T16:03:47+00:00

What is WRD?

WarmPotato · 2020-09-14T16:03:40+00:00

what is IP2?

JasonCarswell · 2020-09-14T16:03:32+00:00

" We can't just pile on re-modding subs to the list of stuff to do for /u/magnora7. "

This is untrue.

M7 choses to run his site as he sees fit. I'm not denying that. However, recognizing that he has an odious burden I and many others have offered many alternative ideas to help him out, including him choosing to set up democratic reviews on bad actors, delegating responsibilities to trusted and capable people, etc. (I'm not interested in these roles but I am interested in improving SaidIt.) He chooses to carry his burdens alone rather than share them.

Re-modding subs is a very minor thing compared to running the rest of SaidIt. 1) Check the sub's history. 2) Check the mod's history. If they're both inactive for X amount of time (ie. 6 months, 12 months, etc.) then 3) Check the asking candidate's history (for asstrollery). 4) Add them.

The /s/canada founder came back and was fine with it. If necessary SaidIt can add an official policy to explain this new process. There are much worse things to bitch out Mags for. For example, not providing or endorsing a forum to discuss democratic changes to SaidIt - such as your views on adding mods vs my view. M7 doesn't want any democracy on SaidIt, not even for us to discuss it among ourselves and collectively present it for his consideration, approval, and/or veto. Yet, he's still open to being persuaded on some things.

" I can't be the only ones wanting to discuss this. And the sooner we come up with something the sooner we can organize and build up this place for the better. "

Agreed. You aren't.

Perhaps you can create /s/SaidItTownSquare for a centralized discussion place on the policies and such.

WarmPotato · 2020-09-14T15:53:40+00:00

Ruqqus bans people a lot, but Saidit doesn't have sub request or a very nice admin. Magnora tends to just shrug off complaints without caring.

littlepinkhouses · 2020-09-14T14:26:10+00:00

Six months of inactivity by all a sub's mods should open the sub to new mods. If more than one new mod wants to be the new top mod then in my opinion having /u/magnora7 decide would be better than an election. An election would be too easy to rig. Some important criteria like responsibility might not be looked at by an election either.

diogenesjunior · 2020-09-14T12:37:04+00:00

/u/jasoncarswell, /u/diogenesjunior, and I can't be the only ones wanting to discuss this. And the sooner we come up with something the sooner we can organize and build up this place for the better.

magnora7 invited me to mod /s/atheism yesterday. if /s/atheism's mod suddenly becomes active again, i will happily leave. but i don't think that making a community and leaving it to be is okay.

Jesus · 2020-09-14T04:44:01+00:00

Do you like cleaning toilets?

lawuigi · 2020-09-14T03:22:13+00:00

I think it's fair to say that re-modding /s/canada is one of a few scant cases were drama is impossible. But maybe I'm just being an typical American and stereotyping.

We can't just pile on re-modding subs to the list of stuff to do for /u/magnora7. Mostly because knowing our luck one of these so called 'mods' will come back from their 700 day hiatus and then bitch out Mags for being a tyrant and how unfair it is.

I was hoping that more of us regulars would chime in on this to help elaborate on how we would like to see this handled. I listed my concerns and threw two random ideas out there and only got one comment of approval and a handful of insightful and fun marks. /u/jasoncarswell, /u/diogenesjunior, and I can't be the only ones wanting to discuss this. And the sooner we come up with something the sooner we can organize and build up this place for the better.

JasonCarswell · 2020-09-13T17:27:56+00:00

Also, FYI, the person who created /s/canada said they did not mind at all that it was "reclaimed" and they remained co-mod.

Also, also, anyone who says they are Canadian has a decent presence on SaidIt (isn't an asstroll) will be invited to co-mod /s/canada regardless of political affiliation. Currently there are 6 mods, some left, and others have been invited and not accepted or declined.

VantaFount · 2020-09-13T16:33:38+00:00

I was not aware of that, Thank you!

3rdFuckingAccount · 2020-09-13T08:24:27+00:00

Maybe kesh is a problem, I'll keep an eye on it. The rest are not a problem.

This one's not a problem?
Also this account posts one link twice with different titles.
This one might/might not be a bot. Might be a bot because nearly everything the account posts has hydrogen in the title and that's easy to make using nearly any language and last comment is from 18 days ago. Might not be a bot because it has comments.
This one seems okay.

Also you're ban evading, and after creating a mess for saidit in previous accounts you suddenly care about the quality of saidit?

What is it that you have against me? Ban evading? I was banned for my political ideology not for violating a rule. Creating a mess for saidit? Is your server that weak that just three user accounts creates "a mess for saidit"? And dismissing my argument because of past actions is a ad hominem.

3rdFuckingAccount · 2020-09-13T08:09:42+00:00

What?

JasonCarswell · 2020-09-13T04:51:22+00:00

Agreed EMPHATICALLY!!!!

JasonCarswell · 2020-09-13T04:48:25+00:00

magnora7 has allowed /s/canada to be "reclaimed" by present users. Maybe Canada is exceptional in more ways than we thought. Maybe things have changed. Maybe M7 is inconsistent. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

magnora7 also does not like random bullshit subs. (Not as much as me though.) More proper subs, not more rando empty subs.

How long has the user been vacant?

JasonCarswell · 2020-09-13T04:48:17+00:00

magnora7 has allowed /s/canada to be "reclaimed" by present users. Maybe Canada is exceptional in more ways than we thought. Maybe things have changed. Maybe M7 is inconsistent. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

magnora7 also does not like random bullshit subs. (Not as much as me though.) More proper subs, not more rando empty subs.

(Edit: Full disclosure, both M7 and myself are not innocent of making a few lame subs. I don't want to either of us is perfect. Also, from almost since I joined, I've been trying to advocate for some ways to collectively, discuss, moderat, and organize sub creation, instead of a free-for-all - to no avail. Now it seems way past any point.)

How long has the user been vacant?

lawuigi · 2020-09-13T04:35:00+00:00

I feel there are too many problems with just saying 'make your own sub.'

There are a handful of subs with inactive mods but people still post to. These are prime targets for brigading and griefing that only admins can clean up in that case. If you do decide to make your own sub you'll probably want to post in the abandon subs encouraging others to follow you to an active moderated sub. But what if no one else marks your post insightful and/or fun and keep posting in the original? On top of that you have to hope you can find a decent alt name. /s/atheism is going to be a first choice to sub for people looking for non theist posts. /s/atheism2 is a goofy way to fix this and /s/nonreligious or /s/secular might work but technically are slightly different in topic. And if we are ok with leaving these subs as ghost towns that'll be off putting to new members and would probably encourage older members to start creating subs with the intent to squat names.

It'll probably help to have an automatic function to either open up subs to claim if all mods are inactive for too long. Or at least have a community effort to identify inactive subs and open up elections to fill in moderator spots.

ANIKAHirsch · 2020-09-13T01:35:32+00:00

Three of these are overt Trump supporters, and two are non-political.

Bias, anyone?

magnora7 · 2020-09-12T20:44:53+00:00

Awesome, good to know, thank you

d3rr · 2020-09-12T20:42:35+00:00

It goes something like this commit: https://github.com/libertysoft3/reddit-i18n/commit/2600920149ac4d17e4ba879e3e88fe8503489b04 and the rest of the procedure is here: https://github.com/libertysoft3/reddit-i18n

magnora7 · 2020-09-12T20:35:08+00:00

Maybe kesh is a problem, I'll keep an eye on it. The rest are not a problem. Also you're ban evading, and after creating a mess for saidit in previous accounts you suddenly care about the quality of saidit?

Seems unlikely

realpanzer · 2020-09-12T20:33:59+00:00

/s/theism.

:)

VantaFount · 2020-09-12T20:27:06+00:00

Magnora7 has stated before that he does not want to hand off ownership of subsaidits to different people.
You'll have to make your own, different sub.

magnora7 · 2020-09-12T20:14:33+00:00

Thanks!

/u/d3rr maybe we can update the polish language packs with these changes, I'm still not sure on the process for updating the language packs

Chipit · 2020-09-12T18:34:17+00:00

It's a good thing. It means spammers think that Saidit has enough of an audience to be worthy of their time.

diogenesjunior · 2020-09-12T18:28:00+00:00

No worries :p

RuckFeddit · 2020-09-12T17:58:20+00:00

The API functions as a middle man between you (a developer) and the application. APIs were designed around the concept that you don't want people having to play with or dig through code to do what they want, but instead leave them access protocols for everything they could need. The API functions like a gatekeeper, it gives you a list of individual things you can do. APIs are also designed to be minimalist, so if you want to call a car, and all the parts to a car exist in the system, you're expected to call these parts and build the car yourself.

This is where the wrapper comes in as is what makes it easier for you to combine these rules with one call. If I wanted to build a car with no wrapper, I'd need to call all the individual parts with each call, save them somewhere and then start putting them together. With the wrapper, I can call all these parts within the same call, thus having them available to me to process all within the same instance.

RuckFeddit · 2020-09-12T17:58:02+00:00

Indeed I did

3rdFuckingAccount · 2020-09-12T17:29:06+00:00

Based and homepilled

AmericanMuskrat · 2020-09-12T16:48:39+00:00

That hits a little close to home, I have posted about cleaning supplies on reddit before lol. Scrubbing Bubbles Foaming Bleach cleaner is amazing stuff. My bathroom has very little ventilation and we had a bad mold problem on the ceiling -- a popcorn textured ceiling no less! That stuff got it right off without scrubbing. Works amazing on tile and toilets too. The only thing it doesn't clean well is the ceramic tub. I'm open to suggestions for that one, it's pretty grungy looking.

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