Snow goes public with accusations against Saidit, starts a wordpress.com blog

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[–]FormosaOolong 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Sadly, yes, they are likely an intentional disruptor on Someone's behalf. Back when, I too half-jokingly suggested they might be a Chinese military asset. They are at the very least a deranged young person who craves attention very, very badly.

[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

What sad is that they're like the 3rd person in saidit history to do that exact months-long tactic... it's obviously in some playbook somewhere, but amount of dedication it requires is a bit astounding. It honestly seems like maybe they're being paid hourly or something, because they often spend a ridiculous amount of time working on custom CSS, and custom graphics, writing excessively long posts and comments, and making and decorating dozens of random subs no one will ever use, and other busywork.

Or like you said, it could just be an attention-seeker. But the arc of how they "go bad" once they're embedded in the community, and then the striking similarity of the style and content of the false accusations that start flying soon after... it does seem to be a pattern that one might call a cultural attack.

[–]useless_aether 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

subversion

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think I may know whats going on if you can follow it:

Agents infiltrate these social media sites to categorize user-base and the mod base into specific personality templates. It could be Meyer-Briggs Type Indicators or D and D alignment charts or political predispositions based on their responses.

Part of that user profile and content are then collected and fed into developing content algorithms for attracting or barring "certain" personality types from growing in order to maintain the goals of an authoritarian domain. For example; some social media sites are ban heavy against certain "types" of users and predisposed to "encourage" certain types of content for various political purposes. Like Voat is extremely predisposed to alt-right content and reddit is extremely ban heavy against unlawful posts; these criterias were developed in the hidden back-end by similar methods and implemented quite harshly to point of force and fracture for the whole communities.

Which leads to the basic point: A common side-effect of mass information collection and implementation based on profiling is disasterous for the whole community down the road due to the biased reasoning and false heuristics of implementing certain goals for political purposes. Basically an end justifies the means problem, but one can argue oppositionally that the means shall also justify their ends!

Of course, we aren't completely done yet! The other aspect of collected user data is IP addresses and physical geographic locations for other dark and sinister purposes. Gestapo 2.0 anyone? And you may have these various networks operating around for this type of user content: Alt-right, CCP, Putin's troll armies, Middle Eastern factions, the churches, mosques, temples, synanogues etc.

This is why persistent identity and user base tracking is flawed. The goals of any organization can be biased and are often implemented heuristically without acknowledgement of common unknowns as to the cause and effect of phenomenon, therefore leading to disaster on a diligent time-scale due to the simple mindedness of the idiots involved in hierarchy.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

IMO, it's the latter. An expressive, active, and dedicated person, trying to find a good fit. Sometimes it doesn't work out and sometimes it gets bitter. You don't notice the ones who drift away quietly.

As someone who thought they were free to improve SaidIt, embracing that "tactic", I took time and effort to be the change I wanted to see and tried to make a nice nest nicer. But "nice" is subjective. Also, what is determined to be "nice" could also be open and democratic, though that's not always how the SaidIt community is lead, as is your prerogative.

I've seen infiltration and it's rarely subtle. Whether it's police infiltrating peaceful protests to stir up shit or cops at Burning Man aiming to bust some hippie heads. The worst are the yahoo cops "in disguise" trying to find out who has "the drugs". The best are the cops who unironically wear "NARC" t-shirts who catch fools who think their shirt is ironic.

Maybe SaidIt is a looming threat to the Chinese or the establishment, but IMO, it's not significant enough until it's close to a household name to have long term investment infiltrations - and even when it's time to pay out you'd likely just think someone's brain broke, got corrupted, sold out, or whatever. That could be for a few individuals, not enough. So the other way to corrupt is by orchestrated swarm, again obvious.

I'm curious about the other "tactic" people.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

because they often spend a ridiculous amount of time working on custom CSS, and custom graphics, writing excessively long posts and comments, and making and decorating dozens of random subs

/u/magnora7 literally writes what's going on but can't accept the fact that people get upset when they spend a lot of time trying to contribute to the site (in my case, future-proof it against legal and administrator abuse by posing principal questions) and they're shat on.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I am glad when people help out. I am not glad when people pretend to help so that they can later undermine it more deeply. There's quite a difference. I am only speaking of the latter.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I am not glad when people pretend to help so that they can later undermine it more deeply. There's quite a difference.

It's a good thing you can read my mind so you know my actual motives beyond the ones I present myself.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Which is why I give everyone the benefit of the doubt until they break the rules. No mind reading required.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Without specifics and examples I can only kind of agree.

In my case, I was trying to help improve and organize and classify subs - for better reference and research and search results. My ideas for democratic sub developments were ignored.

I was also trying to improve the aesthetics and practicality with my evolving Ergonomix CSS, applied to several subs, which I needed mod access to update - but I was called a sub hoarder (true-ish) and power mod (categorically false).

Talking to [deleted] in any substantial way seems moot and a waste of time. I don't even talk to myself.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

but I was called a sub hoarder

100+ subs only for the admins, not for you.

Talking to [deleted] in any substantial way seems moot and a waste of time.

I'm sorry that you need to know who's saying something before you evaluate the content.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To the wind and no one in particular:

I never had close to 100 subs, nor want them. Nor do I see that as a problem if they're not abused. Who's to say there's a limit until the admin decides and announces there's one. Explosively in this case. Now there's a limit of 40.

I had 40 and didn't even want most of them, but I wanted the topics to exist to post under to help organize SaidIt. I also wanted to be able to update the CSS and banners. Unfortunately chaos reigns and SaidIt is no more organized than the barnyard animals on Reddit.

I tried to be the change I wanted to see in the world and lead by example. I was free to help in the manner that I could until I wasn't.