Snow goes public with accusations against Saidit, starts a wordpress.com blog

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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (39 children)

Hmm... I think you might be under-estimating the forces that don't want freedom on the internet.

[–]Chipit[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (38 children)

Nah. China basically has its own internet. The average Chinese hardly ever uses overseas websites.

Certainly there are those who hate our freedoms and the free exchange of information threatens them. But the Chinese government? Eh. On the lower half of the list.

[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

The wumaos are on the Chinese internet. If they're posting on Saidit then they're wasting their time.

From your link:

A 2016 Harvard University paper found that in contrast to common assumptions, the 50 Cent Army consists mostly of paid bureaucrats who respond to government directives in times of crisis and flood Chinese social media with pro-government comments. They also rarely engage in direct arguments, and around 80% of the analysed posts involve pro-China cheerleading with inspirational slogans, and 13% involve general praise and suggestions on governmental policies.[10][11]

They simply lack the motivation to accuse some site of pedophilia. It's not in their wheelhouse.

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

The wumaos are on the Chinese internet.

Nah, they're everywhere. Why wouldn't they be? You think china doesn't care about influencing global opinion? Plus it's a jobs program! Win/win for The Chinese government.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't know if you remember from back in the early days of reddit when CPP shills were around to try manipulating opinions. It didn't go well at first because reddit was too diverse or apathetic but eventually, a strategem took hold to shake up the service.

Isn't this place trying to be similar to old reddit before it went down the tubes? The question worth posing is: What threats are posed by unrestricted discussion based protocols on geopolitical and cultural topics? Well, for censor heavy government regimes- the potential and liability of truth leakage is infinite. It would undermine their propaganda based brainwashing through provisions of contrasting information. It would be a haven for people to "escape" and "normalize" once again.

Why wouldn't there be disruptive cells to interrupt this proper flow of uncensored information? Plus Cyber-China isn't even what it was from back in the day. It has mutated and evolved much further.

[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree. Their clunky old methods have improved vastly because they've put a lot of effort in to refining them.

In fact every single place of discussion online that is too pointed or clear, ends up being disrupted by one or many groups, who don't want the discussion to be publicly happening.

Saidit has been DDOS'd dozens of times, and we've had lots of social attacks on the admins as well as attacks trying to destroy or disrupt the culture. Thankfully the pyramid of debate helps us keep things relatively organized, which helps combat these disruption attempts.

I actually made a video detailing this exact propaganda technique once if anyone is interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m18fu6eEVi4

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Because they don't speak English? Wumaos are largely CPC members who post in their spare time at work or whatever.

Moreover, as I keep pounding the point, the CPC is overwhelmingly concerned with maintaining its own power in China and doesn't really give a crap about what anyone says in English. I'm just not seeing how trying to take out a small website is some kind of objective for them. They're busy and have their hands full right now with other affairs.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

You basically sound like you know their internal operations and how CPC works for some reason. Kinda suspicious

[–]Chipit[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Because I pay attention? I also have an interest in 20th century Chinese history. Ask me about the warlord period or the Japanese puppet states sometime, they're fascinating.

People simply don't know China. There is a massive language barrier, a massive culture barrier, and the Great Firewall. Thus people's minds just fill in what they don't know with their worst fears. It's a well-known phenomenon.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Actually all those things that you have mentioned here simply reinforces the geopolitical happenstance of the overall situation. That indeed you can't trust your enemy to play nice and that the fog of war is by no means a veil of friendship, perhaps the art of war by Sun Tzu is something you would be familiar with as well?

I can't believe I'm still hearing these pointless defenses about a potential enemy's benevolent intentions from you, either you are them and are on the defensive. Or you wish to debate better, but nobody is that dumb around here to let you get away with convincing anyone that a major geopolitical mover is 'not interested' in meddling. Monoliths spread their influence, its how they become cancerous! If they would concentrate of efficiency and longer term planning towards the future, rather than becoming violent, manipulative or boastful, then maybe I would have nicer things to say. But we aren't in that time-line.

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

OK man the commies are everywhere. Be sure to check under your bed for commie spies before you go to sleep!

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Perhaps, but they have enough people and cheap labor, they can target basically every semi-popular website. Saidit is 15,298th largest website in the US right now, and one of the larger social media sites. It's hard to imagine China not wanting to influence US culture. And it's not like every person on saidit speaks perfect English...

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Why wouldn't they improve on their tactics and branch out? This is basic cyber-warfare plus we don't exist in 2010's when China lacked imperial will to build outside its borders or influence other governments.

At this point it is setting up shop all over Africa and expanding its turf by getting damn near close to a super power with added cyber capabilities!

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

OK I'll bite: what do you think China's motivations for posting on Saidit are? I can't wait to hear it.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It would be called Standard Operating Procedures.

SOP for short. Look it up further if you like.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No. The exact motivations. What is it they will gain, and how does it fit in with their national objectives?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

I only sense underestimation coming from you. You must know of the boiling frog.

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

I'm saying China doesn't have much interest in suppressing the freedoms of people in distant lands who don't even speak Chinese. They are interested in maintaining their own power at home. They simply lack the motivation that other powerful groups have.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Or so they want us to think...

The tentacles of authoritarianism reach far and wide while suppressing all they touch!

Edit: See /u/Chipit, I just learned of this as proof: 50 Cent Party.

They would still be looking to make money on saidit, unless! gasp you just made your 50 cents because you are defending them.

[–]Chipit[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

what's with these [deleted]s that keep replying to my posts? Is it a username that just looks like a deleted user?

[–]useless_aether 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

it's the same guy, used to be wastingtime, aetherisuseless, round2, suspicious. he sometimes creates an account just to make a few comments, then deletes the account as soon as called out, and makes a new one straight away. RuckFeddit also noticed. he is good friends with nemacolin, i saw it in your thread yesterday - the internet hug.. imo we should ask the admins for a remedy to prevent continuous account creations from ip addresses that just deleted their accounts. or something like that.

u/d3rr

u/magnora

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

He hasn't broken any rules yet, but if he does I'll ban at the IP level. Some of the names in your list have the same IPs but some don't

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

He

Some of the names in your list have the same IPs but some don't

That's because there's more than one person doing this.

Honestly, is it ONE person or the ENTIRE INFILTRATION ARMY? You seem to flip-flop almost between posts, depending on what suits the situation.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

We could try but if they use a VPN or Tor they have a different IP all the time. Thanks for the info, sketchy shit.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep, the very nature of social media is not sketchy whatsoever...

But I don't think deleting accounts and creating one is necessarily sketchy. Helps cut down on addiction and increases the space in-between usage. Its just a different process. But if there is actual harm and breaking of serious rules concerning the pyramid of debate, then yes- it should be banned.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

There's no evidence of any connections, you take the word of a user who's not presenting any proof and call the practice sketchy shit.

This is the reason I think this site is hopeless, it's ruled by fee-fees. Fuck off, I ain't any of those people the fucker "name dropped".

Oh, yeah. The standard here is to call on

/u/d3rr

and /u/magnora7

to get you to make a feels-based judgement on the users.

FUCK THAT SHIT!

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

What are you rambling about? No one has a problem with your insane privacy use case deletions.

[–]FormosaOolong 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks. I don't think it's all Snow, though, unless they're really good and consistent with faking first/second language issues.

Snow did accuse others of making sock puppet accounts a lot, and it's classic troll behavior to accuse others of what you yourself (as in "one", not you, u_a.) are doing.

[–]useless_aether 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

yep.. this [deleted] guy is left leaning, but i don't think it's snow. tiwaking is also missing, he said snow was his only friend and now he is gone. i liked him, hope he will be back. also basedaf1, he was not treated fairly, so it's understandable he left, but he should maybe give saidit another try now that snow is gone.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Actually if you can remember older-reddit. You could do something like this! There was freedom to do that and if this place wanted to offer something similar; you should leave features like that alone.

Edit: And no, I wouldn't delete my accounts just as I am called out. I do it mainly for humor and to keep people on their toes. Its quirky and schtick. Also helps me not get as addicted to social media with fake internet points.

And no, nemacolin and I aren't good friends. that internet hug comment was actually sarcasm, damn you are too boring and literal to be my adversary: u/useless_aether (Round 5).

[–]useless_aether 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

if this is what makes you happy.. my only (somewhat lame) objection atm is that you are depleting the user-namespace. and we still need a handle to refer to you.

the looper ?

the eloper ?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Hmm... call me: "the infinite_eloper",

Edit: Nah its too stupid. No handle.

But well, I understand your lame objection; if you wanted to ban features like continuous account creations from similar ip addresses because it uses up name space then its fine. At some point other people might need to use some of the cool and awesome names I come up with! All good.

Glad to have helped you find a possible exploit to prevent against misuse.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I have no idea, what that could be!