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[–]Goeffroi_de_Charny 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I hope they win. Millions.

[–]FlippyKing 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Her three children — ages 9, 11, and 13 — now live with their grandfather ..." and their pledge of allegiance will be "Fuck the Police".

[–]Yin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Can anyone identify the breed of the dog unleashed and running at him when he was trying to do a welfare check? It matters significantly. If it's a pit bull or rottweiler, they can easily kill humans (and do), and that would be the equivalent of having a weaponized animal activated.

Edit: on closer inspection it appears to be some type of labrador. In the video, it is clearly not "a puppy" as one of them claims in the article.

[–]Earendil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Any dog who hasn't been trained or tortured can be calmed down. Cops need to have specialized training with dog trainers, they are such bitches. I know dog bites are scary, but most unruly dogs bite due to specific cues on our part. Learn the various cues and bites happen less.

Still, pits and rots are like roided terriers to me. Loud and mean, and not too bright.

[–]Yin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Any dog who hasn't been trained or tortured can be calmed down.

That's completely untrue. That's especially untrue when it comes dogs bred to be naturally extremely stronger and violent and prone to flipping out (pit bulls, rottweilers).

I know dog bites are scary, but most unruly dogs bite due to specific cues on our part. Learn the various cues and bites happen less.

Yes, listen to the cue of the pit, often unprovoked, and who seeks to kill you. Destroy it or die, as you would with any other lethal animal coming at you.

[–]Earendil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

It is true, and you should go do some training if you want to be educated. Unruly animals can be calmed down. How the fuck do you think cowboys do their work? How the fuck do you think dog trainers avoid getting bitten?

I'm certified to train dogs. My family breeds dogs, high end dogs though, not violent pits.

Still, if the pitbull hasn't been tortured by it's retarded owners, then it has the ability to be calmed down. This is the truth of the matter.

You can pull up dog-biting incidents which will only prove my point. Most dogs who bite are either biting out of a jaded sense of self preservation (they don't understand humans) or they have been trained to do so. Shitty caretaking is a form of training, more like torture, which most pitbulls have lived through since they are owned primarily by poor people with no brain cells.

Still, dogs can be calmed down. Animals can be calmed down. This is fact. Cops should get training for this.

[–]Yin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

It's not true.

Pit bulls are notorious for chimping out unprovoked and mauling people to death. They make up around 70% of all US human deaths by dogs.

Focusing on the portion of dogs that conform to your model, while ignoring the portion who don't, is not proper analysis. It's ignorance.

Still, if the pitbull hasn't been tortured by it's retarded owners, then it has the ability to be calmed down. This is the truth of the matter.

That is the equivalent of saying "all humans can be calmed down". It isn't true. It's wrong and dangerous and easily disproven with a mountain of evidence collected showing otherwise --- right on video. The moment an average pit decides to chimp out, even the most versed "whisperer" techniques will fail laughably when it's in kill mode. Pit bulls are the result of being genetically bred to inhabit such physical and mental "features" (abominations) and they do inhabit them at a much higher percentage irrespective of how they're raised. The part where they're being raised can accelerate those impulses but it is not the sole/crucial component that creates its killing ability and instinct.

Statistical Example:

I'll use arbitrary numbers for sake of example on how statistics are examined. [Hypothetically, if 1 in 1000 pit bulls is prone to kill modes as I've described even under the most nurturing caretaking from birth, and this compares to say 1 in 10,000,000 collies prone to the same, then the statistical difference is that pits would be 10,000x more likely to try to kill. The second question becomes whether they're capable of the act, and so the sole focus becomes on actual data: pit kill rates, examining multiple videos of their behavior and killing, how they target people of all ages, babies to grown men. Soon it becomes very evident that the bullshit talking points in support of "pits just had a hard life" are wrong and dangerous.]

This holds true with all animals, from spiders to humans to lions to bears to even poisonous plants.

Focusing on the "999 of 1000" to base your world view around while ignoring the statistical significance of the 1 of 1000 is wrong, dangerous, and illogical.

You can pull up dog-biting incidents which will only prove my point.

Video evidence proves my point concerning pit bulls (and rottweilers).

[–]Earendil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I really think you should reread my comments. We aren't in major disagreement. I think you have something against everything related to blacks, yin.

[–]Yin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

But you said:

Still, if the pitbull hasn't been tortured by it's retarded owners, then it has the ability to be calmed down. This is the truth of the matter.

Which is what I'm saying isn't true. No matter how well a pit bull is raised, there will be a percentage of them that flip out. They were literally bred (genes) to exhibit these features. This can be observed in the many families who have raised pit bulls from birth in loving environments only to experience the pit bull flipping out suddenly and mauling their child or adult family member or a stranger to death.

I think you have something against everything related to blacks, yin.

I never mentioned anything about blacks. However, the analogy is accurate (as it is for any animal group) because violence has a core genetic factor, in which it can be measured that a higher percentage of the group is inclined to have and act on violent impulses. And it leads to horrible, catastrophic examples especially when it's ignored.

[–]Earendil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Spend some time with actual animals, rather than reading studies. The evidence supports my conclusion, not yours. I'm speaking from experience, not internet research.

Animals can be calmed down unless they've been conditioned in a negative or violent way. Simple as that.

Humans are more complex.

[–]Yin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That's not true. No amount of nurturing prevents a certain percentage from following through on their core animal impulses, especially when it concerns pit bulls or any other animal with the physical and mental disposition of being able to kill humans. Your personal experiences are completely meaningless when the existence of even just one single instance of what I speak of defies your personal anecdotes.

[–]Earendil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No, what you are talking about are singular instances, I'm talking about averages. The average pit bull can be conditioned in a positive manners such that they won't bite under normal conditions. Nothing about their genetics can stop that conditioning. Wow, such a hard thing to prove, right? No, it's incredibly easy, go take some training courses and become educated.

I'm not a liberal. I don't think that just because animals can be trained and conditioned that humans can be. I've seen you talking about nurture/culture issues before. You aren't wrong about that, when it concerns humans. However, every cowboy would disagree with you, every dog trainer would.

The thing is, your argument is predicated on cherry picking. The majority of dog biting incidents are caused by 1. Stupid humans messing with untrained dogs, or 2. Stupid humans messing with violent tortured dogs.

My experiences cannot be explained away so easily. If what I am talking about was false, dog training wouldnt work, cattle wrangling wouldn't work, and teaching apes sign language would be a death sentence.

Even when it comes to humans, this holds water. I should expect every single white missionary to come home with bruises and burned buttholes from all the beatings and rapes. Sometimes that is the case. For the vast majority, it isn't.

I don't disagree with you about base traits based off of genetics. However, genetics are only one part of what dictates our behavior. I would argue it is only a major part with dumb animals, like most modern humans, and pit bulls. Therefore, you can cherry pick data all day long and feel justified.

You can rehabilitate almost anything, except for the most debased and violent of people. Individual people, not groups.

You are going down the same path the Jew went down, just on the other lane.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I think you have something against everything related to blacks, yin.

Yin does seem to have his or her head screwed on right.

[–]Earendil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Both of you seem to have your heads screwed on a little too tight, such that you will be unwilling to have the experiences required to become morally mature.

You guys aren't wrong most of the time, but if I heard you speaking in person, I'd want to smack you down just for the impotence. There are pit bulls who are good dogs, no matter how dumb and ugly they are.

Same with other groups y'all have issues with. The only group I'm not so sure of is the semites, but they are everywhere these days, half of white people are descended from those insane desert dwellers and don't even realize it.

[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Does becoming morally mature mean one must tolerate such vile and odoriferous creatures as blacks?

I've literally seen them and been around them in real life back in the 70s. It's quite clear they're not actually human, and can only partially mimic human characteristics. You might be a little too relaxed.

Blacks torture and kill for fun and entertainment. I may not be morally mature enough to overlook their character and behaviors, and don't ever plan to be.

[–]Earendil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"It's quite clear they're not actually human." Humorous.

You must have never met a wigger. They are worse in some ways. You are morally immature. You group in a lot of good people when you say "blacks torture and kill for fun and entertainment." I don't think you can make this argument and be serious about this "I've literally seen them and been around them in real life back in the 70s."

I simply find it hard to believe, no one can be that stupid and just send blanket statements out over whole people groups. I don't even do that with Jews, although other users I like do it. It's one thing to be relaxed, another thing to be fair and balanced. There are black people who are good people. There are young jews who are innocent of the crimes of their forefathers. You and I don't hear about these people, we don't see these people. They are pariahs and outcasts, much like the actually good whites who exist. They are fewer in number than you think.

Now, I'm not talking about liberal views on "good" and "moral". I'm talking about natural functions of being a human. Some of them are better at being human than others. This is true for almost all groups, I am speaking from experience here. There are black women I've men from Africa who have their heads on right, they will fight Imperial Banking, they will fight the corrupted political parties, and they will fight the inbred fucks from their own race. They exist. You and Yin would make enemies out of them if you met them. In fact, I'm certain you did meet someone like this, then had a baseline reaction to their skin color and maybe their use of ebonics (which is gross, no matter the culture) and wrote them off. I'm certain this has happened.

No, you don't have to tolerate the vile humans of any race. But, if you want to be morally mature, then you must recognize when you have an ally. When race wars happen, people of the other race are always killed for being "sympathizers". Do you think these sympathizers don't exist? Or, just that they are so few in number that they must be outliers?

[–]MarkJefferson 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

[–]Retardation_station 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I saw that one. It was a mistake by the looks of it, so he didn't do time. But he'll get fucked in civil court. I'd hate to be in his shoes right now.

[–]infocom6502 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

what a shithead. it couldn't be more awful; incredibly sad