Another great example of how lies propagate on Reddit

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[–][deleted] 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (60 children)

3 bullshit charges. He fingered a drunk girl in an alley. He himself being also totally plastered, and her being totally up for it until the moment she passed out half way through the act. If she didn't consent, neither did he.

[–][deleted] 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (56 children)

He fingered a drunk girl in an alley

On the ground, dry humping her passed out body behind a dumpster while she was above a .22 BAC. We've gotten to a point where that behavior is normalized I guess but it's fucked imo.

The human race is slowly devolving back into fucking chimps.

[–]Canbot 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (24 children)

The same people who cry "rape culture" in regards to drunken sex would also be the first to protest prohibition, or crackdowns on under aged drinking or raising the drinking age. They would be the first to insult and mock and denounce any parents who prohibit their kids from drinking. These are the contradictory, ignorant politics of children. If you are old enough to drink you are old enough to be responsible for the consequences.

[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Who the fuck cares? Why is the foundation of your ethics dependent on what the wastes of oxygen do? Here's the truth: binge drinking on college campuses has always been degenerate and the byproduct of the trash of society trying to coerce women into sex because they can't just make money, be attractive, be successful, and be a good person. All claims to the contrary are from barista millenials or braindead boomers trying to justify their trashy youth.

I'm a fan of social drinking, and I'm NOT telling anyone not to drink in social gatherings with friends, but you and I both know that .22 BAC is NOT social drinking nor is it a good idea no matter the circumstance. So many dumbfucks confuse the "American Pie/Animal House" experience with a social life when it doesn't even involve fucking socializing.

[–]Canbot 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

How is it that you imagine my ethics are based on the actions of others?

It doesn't matter why people drink. When they drink they choose to accept the consequences. That includes having sex with people you would otherwise not agree to have sex with. No one is a victim in that. No one is getting raped. Stop attacking men for the poor decisions of women.

[–]Humpty 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So if someone drinks so much they pass out and then someone else comes along and has sex with them then a) that's not rape, and b) whatever it is is the fault of the passed out person?

That's absolute lunacy.

[–]Canbot 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That is not what rape culture claims are based on. That has nothing to do with my argument.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Whether you call it rape culture or not, you are quite literally claiming what user/Humpty is calling you out on.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Wrong. There is no consent given by someone who is passed out. My claim ends at drunk people having consensual sex. Any extrapolation beyond that is bullshit.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is no consent given by someone who is passed out.

Which she was.

My claim ends at drunk people having consensual sex.

Your claim in this case is entirely irrelevant.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Stop attacking men for the poor decisions of women.

Stop attacking women for being raped.

[–]Canbot 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

That is retarded. No one is doing that.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No one except you. You must be retarded then.

[–]bald-janitor 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Never!

[–]againstwomensright2 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

No

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because your response to me was to point out that those who defend binge drinking on college campuses decry rape culture- and you're rightly pointing out that their beliefs are contradictory. What I'm telling you is that those people's opinions don't matter and they can go fuck themselves.

All men want to fuck like rabbits. So how about instead of getting a woman drunk and luring her back to your dorm, you hit the weight room, make good money, and earn the respect and admiration of your peers and then let the women be attracted to you. Call me crazy, but that seems like a healthier society.

[–]just_lesbian_things 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

oesn't matter why people drink. When they drink they choose to accept the consequences

Yeah, consequences like going to jail if you commit a crime. Being drunk isn't a defense.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Absolutely. Literally no one is arguing the opposite.

[–]just_lesbian_things 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Inserting one's fingers into an unconsenting (conscious or otherwise) woman's vagina is a criminal act. I think the law is unreasonably lenient towards Brock Turner on account of his state of inebriation. It shouldn't matter if he was drunk or not. He chose to drink, he should take full responsibility for his behavior while he was drunk.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This is one case and MAY have been a misscairage of justice, but only an idiot would accept that analysis from a leftist. I wasnt at the trial so I will reserve judgement. It could very well be that she was participating voluntarily and passed out during the act.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Mate, you're hinging your opinion on doing the opposite of leftists. That isn't healthy nor is it a good approach. I know it seems like an adequate mental shortcut to do the opposite of a 130 lbs marxist retail worker but that isn't how you should root your rationality. Rapists are rapists regardless of who supports what narrative. I wouldn't die on the hill defending this POS, he wasn't straight as an arrow and making a minor lapse in judgement. By all accounts, he was a clown looking to get fucked up all the time and his lack of morality caught up with him.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

would also be the first to protest prohibition, or crackdowns on under aged drinking or raising the drinking age

No, I'd support it. This isn't even a valid argument. lol

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That's because you have integrity and consistent beliefs. I understand what he is saying; that people who defend debauchery get up in arms about rape culture. He's not wrong, but that proves absolutely nothing. It just means that those people defending the frat house binge drinking and questionable hookups are idiots.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, it has nothing to do with the point being made.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (28 children)

On the ground, dry humping her passed out body behind a dumpster while she was above a .22 BAC.

He was just as drunk. If she wasn't responsible for her actions, neither was he.

[–][deleted] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

She wasn't acting upon anything. She was passive. My dude, if you're drunk, get behind the wheel, and kill someone accidentally, you are very much so responsible for your actions.

Also, you are a rape apologist.

[–]King_Brutus 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

The difference with the drunk driving is that it's a clear perpetrator and victim. Rape cases where both parties are drunk get far more blurrier due to lack of evidence most of the time (in no small part due to lack of administering rape kits following allegations) and rely on testimony. This is why people are so skeptical of rape charges most of the time, nobody is actually like "yeah go rape", it's that the lines aren't as clearly defined due to facts not being as 100% concrete.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

No. The man was on top of the woman acting upon her. It's pretty clear to me mate.

This is why people are so skeptical of rape charges most of the time

It's usually men who are skeptical, not a vague "people".

[–]King_Brutus 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

I'm not even specifically talking about this case, he was found guilty based on the evidence. But that doesn't make the guy you responded to incorrect. They were both drunk and people are responsible for their actions no matter if they are drunk or sober, it's not "rape apology" so take your righteous anger elsewhere.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

It very much makes him incorrect. If a man and woman are drunk, and the man is acting upon a woman who is passively lying there, the man is a rapist and is responsible for his actions. The woman is not. The vast majority of the time, this is how it actually happens. It's not the woman acting upon the man (although that can happen).

Who is angry though? Calm your penis down, Kyle. You rape apologist.

[–]King_Brutus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Who is angry though? Calm your penis down, Kyle. You rape apologist.

Go back to reddit

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Fuck Reddit with a cactus.

[–]bald-janitor 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Ok Newton

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Shut your bald ass up janitor, get down on your knees and clean my toilet.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Think about what you are saying.

What is the alternative system? If you're drunk, anything goes? By killing a fifth of fireball, a woman basically implicitly agrees to wave all protection from sexual aggression/violence? That's insane.

[–]King_Brutus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Rape can be bad and also women/men should be responsible for their own safety when they drink. The two can exist at the same time.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lmfao. So "yes". If a woman gets hammered, she waves all legal recourse against sexual aggression/violence. You're legal mind will be very popular in the third world.

And rape IS bad. There is no "can be bad" about rape. It's a binary.

[–]just_lesbian_things 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They should. And if they commit a criminal act while wasted, like fingering an unconscious woman in a back alley, they should still be expected to take responsibility for their actions.

[–]just_lesbian_things 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The difference with the drunk driving is that it's a clear perpetrator and victim

If she was drunkenly fingering and humping his ass, I would also support her being put on the sex offender registry and getting more than 6 months in prison.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Never mind the fact that fingerbanging a girl is not rape in my book (and no law book in the world until incredibly recently), you can be passive and drunk and still be responsible for your actions. For instance, passing out drunk in the middle of the road and causing an accident. You can also be incredibly active and drunk and deemed not in control of your actions.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Never mind the fact that fingerbanging a girl is not rape in my book

Your book is not objective reality.

no law book in the world until incredibly recently

You say this as if it makes it any less valid.

you can be passive and drunk and still be responsible for your actions

Literally not in this case.

passing out drunk in the middle of the road and causing an accident

How do you cause an accident? You mean someone running over you? That would be their fault, unless it's one of those extremely rare cases where you happen to suddenly just drop in the middle of the street RIGHT in front of a car. Then it's just bad fucking luck on both sides.

lol

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What.....?

What actions? She didn't do anything illegal. He did. There is zero evidence she even gave a slurred shitfaced consent; she had a .22 BAC and was completely incoherent as evident by voicemails she left at 1:00 AM.

When people question the actions of women who blackout at large parties, it isn't questioning the legality. It's "do they have accompanying friends?" or "is the crowd there safe?" or anything else like that. It's questioning their situational awareness.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

She didn't do anything illegal. He did.

Was it unjust though?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not following. Was it unjust that she was blackout drunk with him? Again, for the record there is no evidence that their advances were recipricol; all evidence seems to indicate that she was incoherent.

Even if she wasn't incoherent, she was beyond hammered. There was a time where "being a man" meant not preying on the vulnerable but I guess that's antiquated now.

[–]zephyranthes 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

He hid behind a dumpster to rape her and ran when the Swedes found him.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Even consenting couples don't exactly fuck in the middle of the street mate.

[–]NaughtyUnicorn 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The human race is slowly devolving back into fucking chimps.

Honestly, I don't think we ever evolved very far from them in the first place.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

3 bullshit charges.

Source?

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The court case? Christ it wasn't that long ago was it?

[–]Humpty 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

He chose to go to trial and a jury convicted him on three counts of felony sexual assault. He appealed the case to another court, which reviewed the conviction and upheld it.

There were not "bullshit charges".