Another great example of how lies propagate on Reddit

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[–]Canbot 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

How is it that you imagine my ethics are based on the actions of others?

It doesn't matter why people drink. When they drink they choose to accept the consequences. That includes having sex with people you would otherwise not agree to have sex with. No one is a victim in that. No one is getting raped. Stop attacking men for the poor decisions of women.

[–]Humpty 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So if someone drinks so much they pass out and then someone else comes along and has sex with them then a) that's not rape, and b) whatever it is is the fault of the passed out person?

That's absolute lunacy.

[–]Canbot 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That is not what rape culture claims are based on. That has nothing to do with my argument.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Whether you call it rape culture or not, you are quite literally claiming what user/Humpty is calling you out on.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Wrong. There is no consent given by someone who is passed out. My claim ends at drunk people having consensual sex. Any extrapolation beyond that is bullshit.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is no consent given by someone who is passed out.

Which she was.

My claim ends at drunk people having consensual sex.

Your claim in this case is entirely irrelevant.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Stop attacking men for the poor decisions of women.

Stop attacking women for being raped.

[–]Canbot 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

That is retarded. No one is doing that.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No one except you. You must be retarded then.

[–]bald-janitor 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Never!

[–]againstwomensright2 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

No

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because your response to me was to point out that those who defend binge drinking on college campuses decry rape culture- and you're rightly pointing out that their beliefs are contradictory. What I'm telling you is that those people's opinions don't matter and they can go fuck themselves.

All men want to fuck like rabbits. So how about instead of getting a woman drunk and luring her back to your dorm, you hit the weight room, make good money, and earn the respect and admiration of your peers and then let the women be attracted to you. Call me crazy, but that seems like a healthier society.

[–]just_lesbian_things 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

oesn't matter why people drink. When they drink they choose to accept the consequences

Yeah, consequences like going to jail if you commit a crime. Being drunk isn't a defense.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Absolutely. Literally no one is arguing the opposite.

[–]just_lesbian_things 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Inserting one's fingers into an unconsenting (conscious or otherwise) woman's vagina is a criminal act. I think the law is unreasonably lenient towards Brock Turner on account of his state of inebriation. It shouldn't matter if he was drunk or not. He chose to drink, he should take full responsibility for his behavior while he was drunk.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This is one case and MAY have been a misscairage of justice, but only an idiot would accept that analysis from a leftist. I wasnt at the trial so I will reserve judgement. It could very well be that she was participating voluntarily and passed out during the act.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Mate, you're hinging your opinion on doing the opposite of leftists. That isn't healthy nor is it a good approach. I know it seems like an adequate mental shortcut to do the opposite of a 130 lbs marxist retail worker but that isn't how you should root your rationality. Rapists are rapists regardless of who supports what narrative. I wouldn't die on the hill defending this POS, he wasn't straight as an arrow and making a minor lapse in judgement. By all accounts, he was a clown looking to get fucked up all the time and his lack of morality caught up with him.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I dono, the modern left is bat shit crazy. It seems like a pretty solid strategy. It has nothing to do with who leftists are. Anyone still following the party line is mentally deficient, especially the professors who have literally abandoned the scientific method and logic for wokeness. Leftism is a cult. Seemingly itelligent people also fall prey to cults; but they too are effectively lobotomized by the propaganda.

I am not defending this jock (douchbag or not) when I challenge the cultists framing of the situation. They unjustifiably use this as an example of thier untrue claims. I don't need to defend him to challenge those claims.

Not least of which is the bullshit juxtaposition of two absurdly different cases with the intended purpose to decietfully conclude that everything is driven by racism, and the audacity to claim that this proves systemic racism.

Part of breaking down this propaganda is to deconstruct the long held, incorrect narrative built around the rape case. It may not have been stated here but the bullshit that has been said here is built on a foundation, and takes for granted, ingrained propaganda regarding that rape case. That includes demonizing that kid to the furthest extent possible, and absolutely beyond the extent dictated by the facts. He may be a piece of shit, but he is not as big a piece of shit as they made him out to be.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He may be a piece of shit, but he is not as big a piece of shit as they made him out to be.

I think the reason that you think that is 50 years of cultural brainwashing. If not for the counterculture from the 60s, I think we'd all universally consider his behavior despicable but it got normalized and those that normalized it are in positions of power in media. Men and women would have much happier interactions if they properly socialized as opposed to blacking out to remove social barriers with each other and then coming back to their senses and dealing with said social barriers and the consequences of their actions.

I would prefer if no one glorified this shit and we followed objective rationality over everything else. Binary thinking is how those in power control you. I'm guessing that you hold conservative viewpoints? How are conservatives on your side when they support ocean destruction for profit margins and cultural decay for "free markets"? What exactly are they conserving? They are just furthering class goals by taking advantage of a percieved "moral high ground" over their opponent.