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[–]HelloMomo 16 insightful - 4 fun16 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 4 fun -  (34 children)

I saw something really interesting on r/BiologicalLesbians right before it went down. There was this woman from a south asian country talking about how in her country — and, from what she'd heard, and other conservatives countries as well — nearly all lesbians are gold stars, because premarital sex is discouraged. Teenagers aren't supposed to date, they're supposed to focus on their studies. And so most lesbians have the time to figure out they're lesbians first.

Coming from a very sexualized western country, I have no personal experience of this, but I thought it was a super interesting topic, and would like to hear more about it.

[–]StoneyTangawizi1 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Oh that's me. Yes where I am from, goldstars are pretty much the norm because premarital sex and dating is pretty much frowned upon here while virginity is taken very seriously. In fact, having sex before marriage, or being sexually active/promiscuous here is seen bringing shame and dishonor to the family and would be seen as being "loose" or "whore" (sorry don't really want to use that word). Even a lot of men here would be shamed by their families if they found although virginity is not expected here for men as much as it is for women.

And yes because of this very conservative attitude towards sex and relationships, there was often enough time for many women and girls to discovered that they are lesbians. In fact, where I live, a lot of women's (even for those who are not lesbians) first sexual experience is often with another women (albeit discretely) due to the stigmatization of premarital sex and dating. Same thing with men. A lot of straight guys here actually lost virginity (also done in secret) with another boy or man.

Furthermore, yep I heard from another lesbian who is from Morocco, that goldstars are the predominant majority of lesbians in her country due to the societal taboo towards premarital sex and dating. That even women and girls who are sexually attracted to males have a hard time getting laid. And that she only met non-golds in Western countries.

I also heard indirectly from another lesbian who told me she know this girl who is also from North Africa (not sure the country), who told me that in her nation, there isn't an issue of goldstars vs non-goldstars in the lesbian community there, as goldstars are the norm among lesbians there due to conservative attitudes towards sex and relationships.

Lastly, I also heard from another lesbian who is originally from China that all the lesbians she met there are all platinum stars by default. And it has to do with the fact that the Chinese approach towards sex and desire is very different from those of West; there is much much less pressure and obsession to lose virginity or to be sexually active. In fact, she literally told me that if a woman announced to people that she is promiscuous, she would be shamed and seen as "whore" or "loose" by the whole community where she lived. Furthermore, a lot of Chinese wanted to be virgins until marriage.

[–]votkriscan 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Furthermore, a lot of Chinese wanted to be virgins until marriage.

This is completely untrue for the heterosexual generation of people in the full 20's range and also 30's. Even lesbians are not virginal either. They just lose their V-card to a woman instead of a man.

[–]StoneyTangawizi1 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thank you for correcting me regarding the virginity thing. I heard this from another lesbian who is originally from China (she growed up and live abroad) and who have a lot of friends there so please take my words as a grain of salt.

But is it true that platinum stars are very much the norm among lesbians there?

[–]votkriscan 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Haha, yeah. Scholastic focus is pretty important, so it's perfectly fine spending your teen years nerding out. It is not seen as awkward, but diligent, especially if you do well. Thus, around your late 20's you'd be asked to date and marry. However, by then, if you do well enough, you'd have your own career and life and can be a platinum star all you want throughout.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

Right and I commented on that saying it highly isn't true and growing up in asia all the lesbians I knew werent gold stars especially those who were pressured to marry men or date men due to the culture.

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    [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

    It's common but saying all the lesbians in asia are gold stars isnt true and excludes a lot of women who have been through trauma.

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      [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

      sexual assault, forced marriages, familial pressure etc.

      Seriously get off your high horse. Being a gold star doesn't make you a better lesbian than someone who isnt.

      [–]VioletRemi 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      That person looks like the one I was speaking about in my post. Who is saying that "if you was raped, you no longer lesbian, you are bisexual now" and similar elitism. If not people like her, there would not be any troubles with this term at all.

      [–]Dudukolo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Where did she ever say that type of stuff? Can you please show me?

      I am here to defend my friend as she never mentioned such thing.

      [–]VioletRemi 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      This answer is almost like you haven't read my comment at all.

      [–]Dudukolo 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      What is your comment? Show me then!! Do not deflect. Cause all I can see is you shitting and getting butthurt on goldstars! Just admit that you hate us.

      [–]Dudukolo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

      And how does all this has to do with the term goldstar? A lesbian who is sexually assaulted is still a goldstar because she didn't consent to sex with a male. Stop using rape and sexual assault victims for your anti-goldstar sentiment.

      Seriously, don't project your own victim mentality and persecution complex, other personal issues on golds stars. We never insinuated that we are better than you. That just your own deluded mind. A lot of us also comes from religious backgrounds and homophobic conservative environments unlike the stereotypes that you believe in/love to promoted.

      I'm fucking tired of goldstars being treated like shit and vilified in the lesbian community. You don't see this issue among gay men. Gay males can proudly proclaim that they are goldstar and they never get attacked by gay men who have been with women or bisexual men. If y'all hate goldstars so much, just tell us. Many of us would happily go our own way and separated from the community and never return.

      [–]Golly 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

      don't project your own victim mentality and persecution complex

      Girl you are the one with a victim mentality and persecutory delusions. You the one thinking everyone is against you and attacking you when in reality no one cares. Your friend Stoneywhatever was banned cause she's creepy and was constantly talking about het sex and violating sub rules. Not because she's goldstar.

      [–]Dudukolo 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

      Oh really no one is against goldstars or attacking us??! No one cares? Have you see how many anti-goldstar rants there are in many lesbian spaces by those have been with males and their doormats/handmaidens calling us "superior, elitist" or whatever crap?? Just look at VioletRemi and Lavalanche comments for example. Why are gay men allowed to be proud of being goldstars (again, I never see them receiving backlash or treated like shit by gay men who have history with women or bisexual men) while lesbians can't? Fuck off with your bullshit and hypocrisy!

      Why is Lavalanche ranting against goldstars and using rape/sexual assault victims for her agenda and implying that we are better that those who have history with males if she has no victim mentality and persecution complex? You can denied it as much as you want, but I'm fed up of the anti-goldstar sentiment in the lesbian community. Again, if you hate us so much, just say it to our face, many of us would happily go our own way and leave the community.

      [–]Golly 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

      Lavalanche and VioletRemi were not talking about ALL goldstars. You are taking all their comments out of context, you didn't even see what they were replying to. Also, most gay men don't care or talk about this stuff either so I don't know what you're on about.

      You are allowed to be proud of being goldstar. Here is a thread for you to go be proud in: https://saidit.net/s/Lesbians/comments/72c5/gold_stars_share_your_experiences/ Or even better, make a new thread dedicated to yourself called "I'm proud to be a goldstar!" or "Being a goldstar is my greatest achievement in life!" No one is going to stop you. No one hates you for being goldstar. What is your problem?

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        [–]ShotsFired 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

        All you do is talk about gold star stuff and interrogate other lesbians about their past. Don't you ever get tired?

        [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Thank you, its extremely creepy and off-putting what they're doing. I reported them to the mods.

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          [–]ShotsFired 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

          stalking you? I use the "comments" tab to browse this sub instead of clicking on threads because s/lesbians is not that active. Your comment was at the top.

          btw, I find it hilarious that the woman who likes to quiz people on their private lives is telling me to mind my own business.