"interesting" thread about the femme/butch label debate I've found, what do y'all think?

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[–]Gearbeta 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Yeah it feels like what's happening is in the past the bisexuals that were hanging around lesbians back then were the ones actually interested in having a serious relationship with another woman. And modern bisexuals are trying to use that to act like they belong with /deserve to be called lesbians/terms exclusive to lesbians despite some/most of them only being interested in men and only slightly being attracted to women. Back in those days, people like that would have been considered straight.

[–]florasis 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Bisexuals who just care about men are very common. A man who only got minimal same sex attraction would never call himself bisexual, but a woman does it, cause bisexuality is considered sexy for women. Then no wonder a lot of lesbian got an hate toward bisexual girls.

[–]VioletRemi 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Experience matters too, many lesbians I know who had relationship with bisexuals are saying that bisexuals almost always running back to men, often to same man they break up. My experience is somewhat the same. However, I know there are bisexuals who marrying women and very happy without the dick.

[–]Gearbeta 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Yeah there's cool bis out there but because wlw (sorry not quite sure how to word this) relationships are so sexualized and not taken seriously, women who imo should be considered straight are saying they're bi and will troll dating websites for a third, refuse to take relationships with women seriously (ex. my boyfriend says I can date women on the side but not men, expect lesbian partners to be men lite before breaking up and going back to men), and pretend to be lesbians when they're mad at their male ex. And there's zero chance that type of shit would have been welcomed in the lesbian/bisexual spaces of the past.

[–]VioletRemi 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

First ukrainian movie with lesbians that was shown on big screens was about that. It was mix of Sapphpo verses + some Hemingway novel.

One rich but lonely women was living on an island and was drawing pictures. Straight couple came there to have a rest, but woman in relationship (I will call her bisexual from now on) did not liked that man much. Rich woman (I will call her lesbian from nowon ) liked that woman and flirted a bit with her. Bisexual woman saw that lesbian have sexual interest with her and started relationship with her first. Man saw that coming, but was not interrupting (he thought it is not real sex and not cheating, I guess). Then near the end, bisexual decided to run with that man, leaving lesbian alone, lesbian jumped down to her death from the crag they first kissed.

Ukrainian song with clip from there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lBetYkmyd4

Lyrics are: Do you even know how it hurts? And it never goes away. And while whole World asleep - please kiss me" (or more like "be kissing me", meaning not one kiss, but kissing, until world awakes).

[–]florasis 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

That's so shitty, my God

[–]VioletRemi 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Yeah. I did not liked it much, but after knowing that many lesbians had similar experience with bisexual women, who just used them for short romance, I am much less critical to movie.

[–]florasis 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The bi women who got serious attraction toward women don't behave like that.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

They don’t, but they are outnumbered by these others, it’s sad for them!

[–]florasis 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I don't know the number though. But I know that there are too many bi with zero rela interest in women and that's the reason a lot of lesbian got a real phobia for bisexual women

[–]mangosplums 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

reminds me of the movie lost & delirious

[–]florasis 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I had a good experience. she So, I'm not against dating bi. But it depends for person to person, the one who got a preferance toward men and prefer dating them because of being more attracted or being normal, are pretty bad experiences. But in general, the ones who got married with women got a female preferance

[–]VioletRemi 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am not against dating bi either, however it will need more time to check if she is really interested in me, or just bored.

[–]yousaythosethings 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep that’s exactly it. Just like transbians trying to claim the history of homosexual transsexuals through forced teaming. Heterosexual males attracted to lesbians were not part of the gay rights movement because they didn’t need gay rights ffs.