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Political Lesbianism is not forced lesbianism/fake lesbianism.

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[–]CatsOrGoHome 16 insightful - 4 fun16 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 4 fun -  (14 children)

Political lesbians can step on a million legos for all I care. They are the reason lesbians aren't taken as seriously as gay men. They are part of the reason we have problems now. I will always hate them for the damage they have done and are still doing. My sexuality is not political, it just is.

[–]spirette 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I mean, the reason lesbians aren't taken seriously is because we are women and we don't care about dick. Not because a few straight women are bitter about men. Let's be real here. If no straight woman called herself a lesbian, we would still be mocked and dismissed.

[–]Innisfree 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Yes. I think modern political lesbians or as someone else in this thread said 'lesbian cosplayers' do create a bad rep but are they really that influential across the world. In my conservative country nobody heard of political lesbians, the concept doesn't exist here. But does that stop men trying to have sex with lesbians. Noooo, men actively pursue lesbians.

Look at South Africa - corrective rape. Look at Latin America - lesbians are targeted specifically for being lesbians - it's like they're some high value prey for men. Edit: spelling

[–]Jolowicz1313 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Thank you. I'll never get all the hate directed at political lesbians as if it was the greatest plague for real lesbians. A handful of hardcore feminist bi women deciding never again to have sex with men does not impact lesbians or anybody. Bi / queer / straight women calling themselves lesbian and then sleeping with men does. We have much bigger enemies to fight.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you. For real. Innate gender feels and co-opting of lesbian movements is literally destroying lesbianism, but let’s get mad at some women who literally love women, if not with their bodies, then with their activism in the world.

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    [–]Innisfree 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    I get the energy bit - it was the reason I didn't post in forums at all. But I'm glad SD posted and everybody contributed. In the course of an hour I learned and refined my thinking on an important issue in our community.

    What can be more exciting and rewarding than thinking together? And also it is good practice to not approach a subject from an emotional point of view.

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      [–]Innisfree 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Oh, sorry i didn't mean the emotional comment about you. I actually found your responses more balanced. I was talking about my interaction with the users here, I'm maladroit as usual :). Because I also never engaged in debate i was quite taken aback by the intensity of some of the responses i received and sort of disappointed in myself that i let them affect me. So yeah sorry, i am trying to focus on learning how to express myself clearly, I want to be able to get my point across in a nuanced way (lack of socialization during quarantine may be at work) so that's why I appreciated your responses.

      Edit: a word

      [–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      It's good to know nuanced thinking is also at a low value here as well.

      I don't understand how this was your takeaway, though.. That I saw, there was a good bit of nuanced thinking on both sides-- and some un-nuanced thinking on both sides. A lot of people agreed with the post, it's not like people disagreeing with parts all had knee-jerk reactions.

      (I realize I am posting this 5 hours after your comment so maybe the this comment came before some of the later more productive discussion.)

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        [–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        My bad. 😁

        edit: glad things turned around! I saw you saw u/writerlylesbian's comment too, that was one of my favorites.

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        True

        [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Gay men are taken seriously because bi men can’t come out, so it seems like there are none. Men have much different social expectations on their sexuality than women do, women are seen as sex objects to begin with so no one is surprised when we fuck eachother as long as we are still available to MEN. At least political lesbians, even the straight ones, took men right out of the equation. Which is a lot better than women who call themselves lesbians and sleep with men, or bi women who hate men but only date men. These are different groups.

        [–]lairacunda 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        "lesbians [who] sleep with men", "bi women who hate men" aren't lesbians. And neither are political lesbians. You know who's been "taking men out of the equation" or rather never including them in the equation to begin with? Lesbians!

        Please, JUST LET US HAVE THIS ONE LITTLE WORD TO OURSELVES!