"I'm so tired of the current fascist government. We need socialism NOW since capitalism has failed!" by Tarrock in LateStageCapitalism

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Wow, this looks like mental illness to me....

Co-opecracy by EddieC in LateStageCapitalism

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Hilarious, the 99% are complete morons who can't do anything.

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The employees at WalMart have been laying flat for years.

Taking Wealth From Those Who Work Hard by EndlessSunflowers in LateStageCapitalism

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The reason we have things as good as we do is due to greed.

What makes you think any of this is good?

Taking Wealth From Those Who Work Hard by EndlessSunflowers in LateStageCapitalism

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Late Stage Capitalism Relies On Exploitation by EndlessSunflowers in LateStageCapitalism

[–]Thiswaycomrads 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And yet capitalism works. There is lots of innovation. Lots of wealth that gets created. Lots of jobs that are created. Business provides taxes that government can sue to build hospitals and schools and roads and militaries. It's not perfect but it works. Go move to Venezuela or north Korea or cuba if you want government run everything. Let me know when you land lol.

Born Into A State of Capitalist Decay by EndlessSunflowers in LateStageCapitalism

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I think capitalism works pretty well but it's not perfect. Which is why it has to be regulated. Regulated capitalism that also provides a welfare state is the closest we will get to a utopia. But idiots want full blown socialism/communism or unregulated free markets where corporations can do whatever they want. Fuck that.

Born Into A State of Capitalist Decay by EndlessSunflowers in LateStageCapitalism

[–]Thiswaycomrads 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah. Housing crashed bc of fanny mae and fanny mac give people who could never get a house loan from banks free money. Then when people with no jobs or low income jobs couldn't pay their mortgage. The whole system came down lol. Yet democrats decide to protect banks that made stupid decisions too. Same with other things like you said, federal loans for college that made it way more expensive. My dad in the 60s paid off his college tuition with a summer job in 2 summers. That's how it should be. Same with health care. We keep moving more towards socialised health care and it just gets worse and more expensive and they never try to revert to market health care. Just keep getting closer to the edge.

"I'm so tired of the current fascist government. We need socialism NOW since capitalism has failed!" by Tarrock in LateStageCapitalism

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To me socialism is all about power. These SJW warrior can't even run their own lives yet want unlimited power to run yours and all of societies. Oh we have xyz that are problems and only giving me unlimited power can fix it. Fuck off. Get a job and move out of your moms basement.

"I'm so tired of the current fascist government. We need socialism NOW since capitalism has failed!" by Tarrock in LateStageCapitalism

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How does that happen? What does equal care even mean? Is it equal if I need cancer treatment that costs 40,000 where as the other guy only needs a couple of broken bones fixed over 75 years of his life? How does socializing anything provide equal anything? Some folks will use up more resources yet it's everybody else who ends up paying for it. Look at college. Liberals like you want it to be free but why should a guy like me working at a steel mill making only 22 a you pay for other shit head kids to go to college? Where is the justice in that? All you idiots want equality and yet demand the exact opposite. Go earn your own money and pay for your own shot you fucking parasite.

Citizens Who Lost Health Care Coverage Since The Pandemic Began by EndlessSunflowers in LateStageCapitalism

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Yeah this country needs to either get a fully socialized health care system or a free market system where maybe charity and government programs help those who can't afford health care. I would rather have a free market health care system that handles the needs of 75 percent of the population. Then there would be public clinics and hospitals that handle the poor. Everybody gets health care and it has the good things about markets and the cool thing about covering everybody.

"It's The Best System We Know" by EndlessSunflowers in LateStageCapitalism

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  1. This is a over implications of a complicated economic system.

  2. Time equals money. Whenever you see something you want you always make a calculated thought about what it cost your in labor hours.

  3. Anyone who thinks capitalism is bad can go try living in a socialist state. Good luck. You will starve and have no rights in north Korea or Venezuela or cuba. Go for it.

  4. Markets are amazing at innovation and creating wealth and jobs. But it's not perfect which is where regulations come in to protect workers and the environment and society. Ditto for a welfare state. Everybody needs health care and housing and a education. That's not socialism. It's simply taxing capitalism and using that wealth to make society better.

  5. No body should be a billionaire. Income taxes should go all the way up to a trillion dollars. With billionaires paying 90 percent on the billions they earn. How could a society that is 99 percent not billionaires disagree with that?

  6. It's impossible to organize a economy better the the market economy. Markets gives us prices which makes it possible for us to make decisions where to invest and do xyz. Any economic system that goes away from that fails.

l deserve 15 dollars an hour by Tarrock in LateStageCapitalism

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15 a hour while working 40 hours is 30,000. That should be the absolute minimum across this country. Other areas like Frisco and NYC should be around 25 a hour which mean 50,000 a year. The business class wants the lowest wages possible. They truly don't care if supply of workers is high enough that you can get away with simply paying 10 a hour. That's why unions are so important. Workers should make enough to live decently. That means health care and housing and cars and 25 days of vacation a year. And no, unions are not socialism.

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It is status quo to the extent that there are no institutional changes - because we are not in a real position to do them, but more importantly, we can make real changes without them - by simply focusing on the inalienable power we have collectively - economic power.
With each individual deciding to buy from co-ops and to form co-ops, each individual will inoculate her/him self from being exploited by Corporations ie the 0.01%. "Herd Immunity" is reached when the very idea of corporations having any material impact on our lives is looked down upon & shunned by the majority as it would represent a return to enslavement by the minority.

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So the entire machine churns on, grinding up forests, water, topsoil, languages in its trajectory, but I have the option to buy coffee from a cooperative? Sounds like the status quo.

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That you chose to gloss over this

A society that functions does so because the people obey ONE set of rules to get at ONE set of goals. If you have minorities with different goals or who "play" the game of society using different rules, that is a dysfunctional society. That is my most absolute condemnation of people like you. You destroy society because you feel entitled. When the laws are made BY the people and FOR the people, things just plain WORK.

Says everything we need to know.

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In capitalism, only the top management, say 1% of the "workforce" screw the workforce out of their labor-created value. Having 1% parasites is more viable than having 99% parasites.

That ain't true. Under Capitalism, everyone competes against each other over resources and jobs — and the same thing happens under Syndicalism. The only difference is that Capitalism gives control over businesses solely to owners and investors, while Syndicalism gives workers at least some power.

Capitalism redistributes wealth to those who already have wealth, while Syndicalism redistributes wealth based on how much labor, innovation, etc. you can put in. Investors, bankers, etc. are parasites who just manipulate money without contributing to society, while workers are the back-bone of our economy.

You are confused. Every capitalist country is also socialist. There is no such thing as a purely capitalist system.

When I say "Socialism" I'm referring to a mostly socialist system. In context, I'm referring to a command economy. I do realize most economies are mixed.

Trampling the "rights" of minorities IS A GOOD THING.

In retrospect, I should'a seen that coming. Obviously, I disagree (which is why I use SaidIt instead of Reddit). Ironically, you'd be the minority being oppressed by the neo-liberal majority (see: Reddit).

A society that functions does so because the people obey ONE set of rules to get at ONE set of goals. If you have minorities with different goals or who "play" the game of society using different rules, that is a dysfunctional society.

Having everyone obey the same set of rules is exactly what "minority rights" means; for example: everyone has the right to free speech, even Nazis — who are a tiny minority of the population.

That is my most absolute condemnation of people like you. You destroy society because you feel entitled.

Everyone's entitled to speech, press, assembly, religion, and guns. You only think that destroys society, because you get offended when people say things you disagree with and want to censor them (just like Communsits).

You seem to think that the only non-idiotic people work for governments?

No?... Just look at the US government, it's a mess of corruption and incompetence — because we're too weak, not too strong.

Completely false. Show your data.

There is no proof of direct democracy even existing at a large scale, let alone proof it doesn't work. Proof has to be positive, not negative; you can't say there's a flying spaghetti monster just because I can't prove it doesn't exist. If you provided evidence of direct democracy working: then I could try to criticize it.

In a direct democracy, power is divided to the smallest possible division. You have neighborhoods making neighborhood rules, instead of a centralized government who is taking a bribe from a party with an agenda.

You do realize that democratic-republics can be decentralized, right? Direct democracy can also be centralized, if everyone in the country voted for national policies.

No. You are again confusing socialism with communism. Socialism is a term that has been co-opted by a century-old psy op in order to make the uneducated equate the word socialism with what communism actually is.

Communism is a type of Socialism, in which all property is commonly owned, usually by the state. Socialism is just significant government intervention in the economy — which is why most economies are mixed.

In context, I'm referring to the Socialist faction, which wants more government intervention, and the Capitalist faction, which wants less intervention.

So, the rich would go to each neighborhood and try to influence each and every local information medium?

Under Capitalism, every information medium is centralized into the hands of a small elite, who use them to push agendas and disinformation.

In the end Fascism is the same as democracy without the bullshit, because a true fascist leader understands the heart and soul of his people and shapes the nation according to it. He is not a tyrant, he is an idol, a template, a pinnacle.

You do realize that the whole point of direct democracy is not having leaders, right? a "true fascist leader" would be a representative, elected or not.

Buying one official for each county (never mind neighborhoods) costs >300 million.

You do realize lobbyists spend millions of dollars, right? They spent $2.5B just in 2010. By the way, I have no clue where your numbers are coming from.

And then there is the whole, "Wait, when did you get so rich?" trigger when each official lives in his own small community.

People already know politicians are corrupt, they just can't do no'n about it (or so they think), since the first-past-the-post voting system protects establishment politicians. The solution is to switch to a different voting method and pass election finance laws.

Also, direct democracy wouldn't have these officials.

Legislation? BIG CORPS OWN THE GOVERNMENT.

It should be obvious that we'd have to elect anti-corruption candidates first.

since you now have to lobby at least 3,000 times as many officials.

Again, direct democracy doesn't have officials.

There are mayors in direct democracies.

...

I'm starting to wonder why I even bothered answering in the first place.

You can quit responding, if you want; I honestly don't mind.

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Which means that the bosses can't be tough on the stupid lazy employees under them, which means nothing will get done.

Yes they can; the employees electing them have an incentive to keep the business going, or they'll lose their income and be forced to work minimum wage at McDonalds, so a lot of them will end up electing hardliners. Also, investor-based companies tend to cater to a minority of woke employees, who would be mitigated by the silent majority in a worker-based company.

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Which means that the bosses can't be tough on the stupid lazy employees under them, which means nothing will get done.

I support coops in principle and have for the last 20 years. But this no longer works in practice now that humanity has degenerated into shit.

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Since almost everything in the modern world is horrible, I simply buy from the best source regardless of their ideology.

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Thanks for the great insight on Syndicalism!

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[–]Horrux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is this not how Capitalism operates? Do Capitalists not compete against each other for resources, and in the process innovate for the purpose of expedience? Do Capitalists not seek to put in the least effort possible for the most pay?

Yes, they do. Do you have a point? OK I'll make it clearer: in an organization, everybody screwing each other out of profits makes everything turn to crap very quickly. It's communism, where you have to wait 18 hours in line for a loaf of bread, only to be told at the end of the wait that there is none left. In capitalism, only the top management, say 1% of the "workforce" screw the workforce out of their labor-created value. Having 1% parasites is more viable than having 99% parasites.

The only alternative to a market economy — which naturally creates competition — is Socialism, which takes away the driving force to work and innovate, and thus: strips the Nation of any semblance of a functional economy. Have you not seen what happened in Venezuela?

You are confused. Every capitalist country is also socialist. There is no such thing as a purely capitalist system. You're thinking of communism maybe? Yes, communism is bad. It's the 99% parasites system.

Competition and self-interest is a good thing, because it drives our economy. Any system that eliminates competition, eliminates the economy.

I never wrote anything contrary to this very obvious truth.

Direct democracy cannot function, for the majority would trample upon the rights of the minority, and those in charge of society, no longer being elected representatives, would not run the government as effectively — instead we need to implement technocratic elements, so those regulating the economy actually know what they're doing.

Direct democracy has worked and does work, perfectly. Trampling the "rights" of minorities IS A GOOD THING. It ensures homogeneity of a society. A society that functions does so because the people obey ONE set of rules to get at ONE set of goals. If you have minorities with different goals or who "play" the game of society using different rules, that is a dysfunctional society. That is my most absolute condemnation of people like you. You destroy society because you feel entitled. When the laws are made BY the people and FOR the people, you think that's inefficient and wrong? No, it works perfectly. You seem to think that the only non-idiotic people work for governments? Well, that's completely wrong. Direct democracies discuss and find out the consequences of any possible action, which people then vote on. There is no agenda, but WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT.

This is only true, cause under direct democracy: the running of the government becomes impractical.

Completely false. Show your data. In a direct democracy, power is divided to the smallest possible division. You have neighborhoods making neighborhood rules, instead of a centralized government who is taking a bribe from a party with an agenda. The people make the rules they want to abide by. It's just the bribing that is impractical.

Capitalism and Socialism, being the two opposing factions of Materialism, have destroyed human society by directing the devotion of the People away from the Nation, and towards factions and material items. The only way to restore society is to restore the devotion of the People to the Nation, and to subvert the factions which have sought to destroy it.

No. You are again confusing socialism with communism. Socialism is a term that has been co-opted by a century-old psy op in order to make the uneducated equate the word socialism with what communism actually is. Doing so creates a huge blind spot in the minds of these uneducated sheeple, rendering them incapable of thinking the whole spectrum of socioeconomic thought. Socialism IS ALWAYS PRESENT with a capitalist system, unless you are in the Mad Max version of the world where each bandit gang kills, maims, and pillages whoever they choose.

Never thought I'd ever see a Nazi (or whatever the correct term may be) advocate for direct democracy, but here we are...

Hitler's idea was that the people have values and to direct and lead his nation according to their values and traditions. In a direct democracy, the same thing happens, except if for example some minorities are woven into the population to begin with, which is what we have now, they can form neighborhoods and set their own rules. It is not good or ideal for a society but it's a working compromise. In the end Fascism is the same as democracy without the bullshit, because a true fascist leader understands the heart and soul of his people and shapes the nation according to it. He is not a tyrant, he is an idol, a template, a pinnacle.

Could the rich not use disinformation and propaganda, in order to trick the people into voting against their interests, as they always have? The only difference would be that instead of voting for corrupt politicians, they'd be voting for corrupt laws.

So, the rich would go to each neighborhood and try to influence each and every local information medium? Color me doubtful, since there are for example a little bit over 3,000 counties in the USA. So say buying an official on the federal level costs 100k. Buying one official for each county (never mind neighborhoods) costs >300 million. To get ONE THING passed. And then there is the whole, "Wait, when did you get so rich?" trigger when each official lives in his own small community. Questions get asked and answers are found. What is said official to do when say just 200 angry people wait for him to leave his home to ask him pointed questions? Local officials don't have personal armies in a direct democracy. They are simply Joe Average.

The only way to fix corruption is to pass anti-corruption legislation.

HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA Legislation? BIG CORPS OWN THE GOVERNMENT.

Every corporation has an army of lobbyists.

Every big corporation has some lobbyists. Multiply their "army" (whatever) by 3,000 since you now have to lobby at least 3,000 times as many officials. Good luck having fun.

Do you now what direct democracy is? You wouldn't have a mayor.

Sigh. It is obviously you who does not know. There are mayors in direct democracies.

Democratic-Republics can ban businesses too. I don't think that's the right solution, though; we should break them up into smaller companies, force them to give a certain amount of ownership to their workers, ban them from having stakes in adjacent industries, and adequately regulate them.

Keep dreaming, boy. What are you even talking about. These big businesses OWN THE GOVERNMENT. They regulate the government, not the other way around! That is the whole problem!! I'm starting to wonder why I even bothered answering in the first place.

The government doesn't have to be pseudo-anarchistic to be decentralized; a better option would be to return power to the states/provinces/etc.

It isn't pseudo-anarchy, it is the rule of the people by the people. It is ACTUAL democracy, not this sham we live under. "Returning the power" to the local level can only be achieved through a direct democracy. Otherwise the same crap happens: power hoards itself, centralization grows and we're back to square one.

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I'm sure there's some teenager LARPing as a National Syndicalist somewhere on the Internet.

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All vaporized today.

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Looking at the features of syndicalism listed in this video YouTube , most of the features/boxes listed would left unticked under this idea.

LOL. That video was made by an Anarcho-Communist who has no idea what Syndicalism actually is. By the way, they literally copied that five-point list directly from Wikipedia.

They're right about some things, like Syndicalists favoring federalism and opposing political parties — but the latter point is misleading, since "political parties" refers specifically to communist, one-party states. We ain't against using political parties to win elections, or even in a Syndicalist society to represent different factions.

Not all Syndicalists view a general strike as a good tactic — matter of fact: we generally see it as impractical (at least today). Strikes are viewed as useful at a small scale, in order to get specific businesses to treat their workers better, but statist Syndicalists (like myself) prefer government action.

Being an Anarchist, they push this idea that Syndicalists wan'o replace the state with a "federal, economic organization of society", but there are plenty of Syndicalists who believe in retaining the state. Anti-statist Syndicalism is referred to specifically as Anarcho-Syndicalism. Statist Syndicalists tend to want to merge syndicates with the state — or even use them as the state.

They also push the idea that Syndicalists are pro-union, but in reality: we only support unions that legitimately care for their workers, and oppose those that support Capitalism or Communism. Statist Syndicalists — especially Corporatists and National Syndicalists — usually want to merge them with the state and/or ban independent unions.

Merriam-Webster has three definitions of Syndicalism:

  1. a revolutionary doctrine by which workers seize control of the economy and the government by direct means (such as a general strike)

  2. a system of economic organization in which industries are owned and managed by the workers

  3. a theory of government based on functional rather than territorial representation

The first definition could include elections. The second and third definitions are pretty good, but I'll warn against assuming Syndicalism has to be this extreme.

The word "Syndicalism" comes from French, and refers to syndicates, or trade unions — so Syndicalism is quite literally: the ideology of trade unions. How "trade union" is defined, and what exact purpose they should serve, is left up to the specific form of Syndicalism.

My list of qualifications for whether someone's a Syndicalist is as follows:

  1. Should workers have significant, direct ownership of the workplace?

  2. Should the economy be based around trade unions? (in whatever form they may manifest)

If you answered "yes": you're a Syndicalist! The hard part is figuring out what kind you are.

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Essentially, the aim is for everyone to get used to the idea of a Co-op-dominated economy instead of a Corporation-dominated economy because of the economic benefits & leverage it would provide to the working class.
However, it does not mean pushing out small business owners. They will continue as before and would even flourish when income is better retained within the community through co-ops, circulates & grows.
 

I put "Unionize" in quotes i.e. to mean that the existing Workers of Corporations should organize into Co-ops that compete with the Corporations. Unionizing would only continue to put the power with the Corporations.

The classes could cooperate through the funding of the Co-ops i.e. the investor class can provide loans to Co-ops directly or indirectly through Credit Unions, but they will not have a say in the running of the Co-ops.

Looking at the features of syndicalism listed in this video, most of the features/boxes listed would left unticked under this idea. So,...

Yes, I think in lists. LOL

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Leftists who favor coops are angry, angry, angry and trying to placate them never works.

Key-word: leftists.

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You do realize there are right-wing variants of Syndicalism, right? The Spanish Falangists were National Syndicalists, and Mussolini was a Fascist Corporatist.

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You do realize that co-operatives have bosses too, right? They're just elected by workers instead of investors.

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"Soviet" means council.

The way the Soviets used the word "Soviet" is different from how we use it today. They called it the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics for a reason: the term "soviet" by itself only referred to a government body (for example: the upper house of parliament in the Russian Empire was called the State Soviet).

A socialist soviet, on the other hand, was a council for the purpose of implementing Socialism; they managed public property, carried out the central government's economic plans, and forced workers to do hard labor for little or no pay.

Very similar ideas as what you are proposing here.

u/EddieC is proposing Syndicalism, not Communism. He ain't proposing any kind of government ownership of the means of production or a command economy, but rather: worker ownership of businesses within a market economy. Huge difference.

See also: Kibbutz.

Again, that's Communism, not Syndicalism.

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Can't do it. People crave money, power, status, "being special". In any co-op, most individuals will try to squeeze the most out of it by putting in the least possible, warring on their co-op-ers for what should be rightfully theirs.

Is this not how Capitalism operates? Do Capitalists not compete against each other for resources, and in the process innovate for the purpose of expedience? Do Capitalists not seek to put in the least effort possible for the most pay?

The only alternative to a market economy — which naturally creates competition — is Socialism, which takes away the driving force to work and innovate, and thus: strips the Nation of any semblance of a functional economy. Have you not seen what happened in Venezuela?

Competition and self-interest is a good thing, because it drives our economy. Any system that eliminates competition, eliminates the economy.

Instead, switch to a DIRECT DEMOCRACY political system,

Direct democracy cannot function, for the majority would trample upon the rights of the minority, and those in charge of society, no longer being elected representatives, would not run the government as effectively — instead we need to implement technocratic elements, so those regulating the economy actually know what they're doing.

and maintain a capitalist-socialist system such as exists in most of the civilized world.

Capitalism and Socialism, being the two opposing factions of Materialism, have destroyed human society by directing the devotion of the People away from the Nation, and towards factions and material items. The only way to restore society is to restore the devotion of the People to the Nation, and to subvert the factions which have sought to destroy it.

The problem is political, not economic.

The political is economic, and the economic is political; politics and economics are inseparable. When has the political climate not affected the economy, and when has the economy not affected the political climate? The government must choose to regulate, or not to regulate, and the economy influences who the People elect to the government.

When you have DIRECT democracy, lobbying and corruption become impracticable.

This is only true, cause under direct democracy: the running of the government becomes impractical.

Imagine the Jews buying a majority of the representatives of every single county in the USA.

Never thought I'd ever see a Nazi (or whatever the correct term may be) advocate for direct democracy, but here we are...

Could the rich not use disinformation and propaganda, in order to trick the people into voting against their interests, as they always have? The only difference would be that instead of voting for corrupt politicians, they'd be voting for corrupt laws.

The only way to fix corruption is to pass anti-corruption legislation.

They'd need a literal ARMY of lobbyists.

Every corporation has an army of lobbyists.

With a direct democracy, THE PEOPLE'S WILL is what gets done. If the mayor of your town suddenly leaves the middle class and buys a Bentley and a mansion, the people can vote for an audit. And they would.

Do you now what direct democracy is? You wouldn't have a mayor.

Of course this also nullifies the mega-corporations: "we don't want either Wal-Mart nor Amazon doing business here". Boom, they're fucked.

Democratic-Republics can ban businesses too. I don't think that's the right solution, though; we should break them up into smaller companies, force them to give a certain amount of ownership to their workers, ban them from having stakes in adjacent industries, and adequately regulate them.

It truly is the key, because it's decentralized government.

The government doesn't have to be pseudo-anarchistic to be decentralized; a better option would be to return power to the states/provinces/etc.

Let's Co-opefy The Economy, Decenter The Corporatocracy by EddieC in LateStageCapitalism

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You're definitely going in the right direction, since co-operatives give power to the working-class, but I also believe we need to empower small business owners. Furthermore, we need to give workers a share of ownership in large corporations, as they do in Germany, in order to foster class co-operation.

You mention unions, but being organized in a largely ad-hoc fashion by Communists seeking to infiltrate business circles, they're dangerously anti-American — instead, we must organize labor and capitol into a congress of independent trade corporations, and implement corporatist policies that force the classes to co-operate.

I assume you're some kind of Syndicalist? I'm a Syndicalist myself, of the national Corporatist variety.

Also, you write way too many lists. This would put u/JasonCarswell to shame, LOL.

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[–]EddieC[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

a) "Soviet"=an elected governmental council in a Communist country
b) Kibbutz =a communal farm or settlement in Israel, a socialist economic organization based on the principle of state ownership of land

Co-ops are private, economic organizations, not public, political organizations.
Anyone can set up co-op right now - no changes to the political system or laws are necessary.
A community, depending on its size, may have multiple co-ops for a given activity as well as different co-ops for different activities.
"Co-opefy The Economy" would be a value shift for the entire population (not just a community) away from 0.01%-owned Corporations to build economic power for political leverage.

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[–]EddieC[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not everyone will choose to start a co-op. But everyone will get to decide whether to buy from Co-ops or Oligarch-owned corporations.

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[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah but it won't matter. It'll fall into a purity spiral just like I said. Leftists who favor coops are angry, angry, angry and trying to placate them never works.

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[–]EddieC[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is fine if co-ops fail. New, better ones can be built from failed experiences.
It is entirely up to the people who are interested to discuss, negotiate & decide amongst themselves how they want their coops to be.
Co-ops can be big or they can be small. There can be many co-ops in any one locale, not just one.
Let the people (ie the market) decide whichever they support.
The objectives are to enable us:
(1) To Organize ourselves into something bigger
(2) To Decenter The Corporatocracy
(3) To Make the shift away from Corporations

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[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The problem with going down a far left rabbit hole like this is the purity spiral. First coops. Then these coops aren't pure enough, we need more extreme ones. Eventually everyone gets called racist and the movement collapses because of the intense anger felt by some of the members.

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[–]slushpilot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Soviet" means council. Very similar ideas as what you are proposing here. See also: Kibbutz.

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[–]fschmidt 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What a joke. People today are lazy morons. Without a boss they would do nothing.

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[–]Horrux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, this looks like the numberless third option in my post above. I don't think it's possible however, as I mentioned.

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[–]EddieC[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I really appreciate your comment.
Hope you will have a look at this post which further elaborates on how real change is within our reach.

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[–]EddieC[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Co-opefy The Economy, Decenter The Corporatocracy" is an idea to put economic (& thus political) leverage in the hands of the people, increasing voters' power (vs the 0.01%'s) to push for such referendums for Direct Democracy to happen.

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[–]Horrux 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well changing the whole political two-party apparatus and ushering in direct democracy can happen in one of two ways:

  1. A benevolent dictator arises, such as Lybia had in Gaddafi;
  2. Revolution;

I don't know of any others. Well... In theory it might be possible for the WHOLE POPULATION to pressure their "representatives" into voting for citizen initiative referendums, which would be a first step, and then keep the people voting for the people and redistribute the power, gradually changing the system to one of direct democracy. But as usual with politics, theory is one thing and reality is another thing altogether. This has of course never been achieved.

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[–]EddieC[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Q: How do we get to a direct democracy political system?
Bear in mind this 2014 Princeton University study which concluded that:
- "the opinion of the average citizen has near zero impact on (US) public policy", whilst
- "economic elites have a quite substantial, highly significant impact on policy"

ie the US Govt works for the 0.01%

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[–]Horrux 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Can't do it. People crave money, power, status, "being special". In any co-op, most individuals will try to squeeze the most out of it by putting in the least possible, warring on their co-op-ers for what should be rightfully theirs.

Instead, switch to a DIRECT DEMOCRACY political system, and maintain a capitalist-socialist system such as exists in most of the civilized world. The problem is political, not economic.

When you have DIRECT democracy, lobbying and corruption become impracticable. Imagine the Jews buying a majority of the representatives of every single county in the USA. Imagine Big Pharma lobbying the same majority. They'd need a literal ARMY of lobbyists.

With a direct democracy, THE PEOPLE'S WILL is what gets done. If the mayor of your town suddenly leaves the middle class and buys a Bentley and a mansion, the people can vote for an audit. And they would.

Of course this also nullifies the mega-corporations: "we don't want either Wal-Mart nor Amazon doing business here". Boom, they're fucked.

It truly is the key, because it's decentralized government. Blend in some blockchain tech and you have the end of corruption, lobbying, cronyism, etc.

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Getting people actually engaged to do something about this was, is and seems to stay hard on this endeavour.

Imo most people are occupied in their everyday life hunting money to buy stuff they mostly don't even need.

And even in their freetime most of them rather watch streaming or "enjoy" other forms of low-level entertainment because it is just so much more convenenient than getting of one's ass and start knocking on some doors.

But i really appreciate reminders like this one.

What if we are in the final 3 and a half years of the beast? by [deleted] in LateStageCapitalism

[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If this has been the tribulation, it's the weakest and most pathetic version of the tribulation ever imagined.

The best explanation I have for what's happening is that the galactic neighborhood we're going through again has influenced us far more than we realize, and it's been happening since at least 1859. (the carrington event)

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[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The fog just burned off around 11:30 here. Used to be June and July were practically all fog, but that changed somewhere around the late 80s. We still have it (mid coastal California), but it's not like the pea soup it used to be. Temps have been in the upper 60s to mid 70s.

Haven't been catching Ben on Suspicious Observers as much after the youtube ban, but have heard him mention the color changes of our local star. (along with tons of other unsettling changes to bodies in our solar system)

Anyone unironically using the term "climate change" has a defective view of the world.

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good but so many are it is overwhelming. What's the sun like where you are at? Also it's position is off a little bit too here. It's almost 11:00 and the sun is not as high in the sky as it used to be even counting for DST. It's still shining clearly thru my east window which when I was little would've been up but more on the south end with the light quite rapidly leaving.

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[–]Horrux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ah, so you too, have noticed. Yes, the sun FEELS much hotter, doesn't it?

CLIMATE CHANGE is bullshit. I mean yes, the climate changes, as it has always. But it's not anthropogenic. Even NASA was crystal clear about this in the late 80s / early 90s : the Sun was even then warming up all the planets in the solar system.

Well if the topic interests you, here is a huge resource on it: https://www.youtube.com/user/Suspicious0bservers/playlists

And no, I'm not a moron.

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

China is doing a BIG CERN in 2024 which is very scary. They are being built right now.

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Could that be why the sun is not only white but SUPER HOT even on a nice cool day temperature wise now? The sun used to have a much softer feel in the 80s/90s even in hot weather you could get away for at least a half hour without doing sunscreen but now? FORGET IT!!!! Your going to fry in 10 mins of just sitting in your own backyard let alone doing anything straining. Our metal decks get hot by spring now and our PNW climate is no longer a temperate zone.

We have a few months of sort of winter where while we still get some storms it's no longer endless gloom. We used to not see the sun from Nov to Feb with a brief glimpse here and there when the passage of a cold front occurred. But now we only get one storm a week and it only rains a short bit when the actual front comes thru where it's sunny before and after the weather event. Spring used to be pretty cloudy though some years would have 'teasers' that would fool you but June would make up for it in 'June Gloom' but not anymore! Spring is California style sunshine and the coast isn't foggy much anymore either. We went to the coast in early June which is usually one of the most foggiest/cloudiest times but it was perfectly sunny despite the forecast of showers at time. Dad said the skies reminded him of Long Beach CA when he was young in the 1960s which we had rare conditions in Oregon of the ocean being a deep blue. Usually the ocean was more gray when I was little even on sunny days we couldn't quite achieve that California blue. Something is off. WAY WAY off with our planet and it's beyond the realms of CLIMATE CHANGE.

At this point saying CLIMATE CHANGE if you read this far is a massive cop out to cover up lies. I bet you haven't and are going to yell CLIMATE CHANGE which shows to me how little you read and that proves what a moron people are these days.

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They took the inner racism of blacks upon blacks to the top now.

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[–]BlueFrost 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I never watched CNN.

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[–]Horrux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Earth is subject to a 12,000 year cycle of "reset, and then build civilization again". This cycle is due any decade now, with most reasonable assessment putting the (science-based) Extinction Level Event between 5 and 25 years from now.

Every 12,000 years, the sun explodes in a micro nova, which is triggered by the accumulation of dust in its atmosphere, which is brought by the galactic current sheet, a feature of its magnetic field, which bunches up interplanetary dust into sheets a lot less than 1 light-year thick.

When this sheet of dust reaches the sun, its gravity pulls all that dust into its atmosphere, where the high temperatures and pressures create increasing turbulence. At some point the sun goes dark from all that dust (as recorded in holy texts) and then explodes from the pressure buildup. It doesn't get destroyed, it's a "small" explosion, but still one that creates a ball of fast-moving plasma bigger than the orbit of Uranus.

Anyway, it's about to happen and it's the end of the world.

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

For a video look up 'If Earth were a golf ball' showing how significant God is compared to us: It really is a mind bender by a well known teacher: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atUGBua2AzE The latest comment about Covid made me also realize how significant God is in his plans.

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Hon. While you've been watching CNN we have came close several times to signing the agreement to build the temple. It always got delayed due to this or that. Trump signed a very important thing that recognized Israel as an official nation which is a VERY important prophecy. A lot has come to pass already and the only thing needed left is the Jewish Temple on the mount which is needed to house the Anti Christ.

https://whitestone2020.com/2020/12/06/bible-prophecy-has-come-to-pass/ here's some examples it's worth reading to get you started: Some theologians or Bible teachers say “It won’t happen”


But, the evidence says “It is in the process of happening”.


LOOK AT WHAT HAS ALREADY OCCURRED:

The odds of 1 to 100, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000 is 1 to 10 to the 157th power)

These are the odds against – yes, AGAINST – Jesus Christ having fulfilled just 48 of the over 450 prophecies written about Him.

In order to give you some perspective, electrons are very small objects. They’re smaller than atoms. It would take 2.5 TIMES 10 to the 15th power of them, laid side by side, to make one inch. Even if we counted 250 of these electrons each minute, and counted day and night, it would still take 19 million years just to count a line of electrons one-inch long. 19 MILLION YEARS!

Read that again, please. Why is that significant?

It is significant because it gives us evidence that the Bible is true and correct when it says that Christ Jesus came to earth and is the Savior of the world.

It gives YOU evidence, if you choose to pay attention, that your life can be eternal with the only LIFE source which gives eternal Peace, Safety, Security, Joy and fulfillment the universe has ever known or ever will know.

Just think about it: It is a scientific and a mathematical impossibility that HAS COME TO PASS!:

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[–]hennaojichan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

CERN?

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[–]BlueFrost 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Honestly, I hope the tribulation stuff is only symbolic and not actual literal event like many Christians believe. I am only 30 now, and I hope to live a relatively longer life, that is while battling and winning against the current retched zeitgeist today.

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[–]mahavishnunj 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

lol, wow. ok, ill make this quick and easy: presidents dont make decisions, the bible is nonsense, elections/the antichrist/the mandela effect are not real.

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[–]PatsyStone 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

We are in the 4th of July weekend of the beast. Next up, back to school shopping of the Beast. Labor Day of the Beast.

magnora7...? by diogenesjunior3 in LateStageCapitalism

[–]RightousBob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you haven't heard.......the Iron Left are a bunch of shit eating faggots

HI MAGNORA7 ;) by diogenesjunior3 in LateStageCapitalism

[–]RightousBob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you haven't heard.......the Iron Left are a bunch of shit eating faggots

FUCK MAGNORA7 by diogenesjunior3 in LateStageCapitalism

[–]RightousBob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you haven't heard.......the Iron Left are a bunch of shit eating faggots

IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T HEARD: by diogenesjunior3 in LateStageCapitalism

[–]RightousBob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you haven't heard.......the Iron Left are a bunch of shit eating faggots

If you're thinking about getting the covid-19 vaccine please watch this this will be the most informative video you've seen so far this year. This is huge Senators/Doctors/Scientists Say "DO NOT GET THE SHOT!" Discussion about MANDATORY VAX. Creator of the MRNA technology speaks out. by JustLookDontDismiss in LateStageCapitalism

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Says the Jew who thinks most people are subhuman. You'd fit in with Chabad but then again you're an atheist and they rhink your subhuman. I don't though.

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[–]fschmidt 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are right to point out that intelligence isn't the only issue. What needs to be eliminated are those people who prevent the development of a functional moral society. The stupid blacks are not a problem because they can be treated like wild animals and just kept out. Members of modern culture are a bigger problem because they still have the power to impose their will on others. So these are the people who must die off.

The child argument is irrelevant Christian-like morality. The children inherit the genes of their parents and so deserve their fate if their parents allow them to be killed.

The best people, those who could form the foundation of a decent society, are not taking the vax. In particular, I visited the Mennonites in north Mexico and none of them are taking the vax.

If you're thinking about getting the covid-19 vaccine please watch this this will be the most informative video you've seen so far this year. This is huge Senators/Doctors/Scientists Say "DO NOT GET THE SHOT!" Discussion about MANDATORY VAX. Creator of the MRNA technology speaks out. by JustLookDontDismiss in LateStageCapitalism

[–]Yin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

  1. The people not taking the vax fall on the extremes. Sub-saharan Africans around the world, including the US, are rejecting the vax in droves.

  2. The NWO establishment is targeting innocents including kids who don't know better. NWO media-academia is an evil bubble. It's brainwashing otherwise intelligent people. That is the nature of man in general. All men are potentially susceptible to believing what evil tells them. That's the power of media getting them while they're young. Evil wolves are raising youth by luring them into false virtue dopamine hits and degeneracy.

The end result? The people left behind aren't the utopia you imagined. And the NWO gains more power. Don't get me wrong, part of me wishes it was like you're thinking. Normies submitting to the "vax" disgust me to no end, but there's a deeper problem knowing that so many people, especially the sub-25 year olds, are prisoners to the NWO banker class's world domination force field.

If you're thinking about getting the covid-19 vaccine please watch this this will be the most informative video you've seen so far this year. This is huge Senators/Doctors/Scientists Say "DO NOT GET THE SHOT!" Discussion about MANDATORY VAX. Creator of the MRNA technology speaks out. by JustLookDontDismiss in LateStageCapitalism

[–]fschmidt 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But this is ideal culling because only the stupid will take to vax. Intelligent people can also escape tyranny by moving out of the population centers. So the whole thing looks ideal - tyranny and death for the moronic masses.

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[–]Yin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It would be evolutionarily interesting if it were limited to culling. Instead, these "vaxes" are mostly just a vector of accelerating a New World Order tyrannical system. The sad truth is that even if the "vaxes" were as safe as water, they would still be pushing them. Seizing grand opportunities is the purpose.

This generation is absolutely stoned against the dangers of communism due to our broken capitalism! by [deleted] in LateStageCapitalism

[–]Horrux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What makes you think that. User speaks against communism and cancel culture...

This generation is absolutely stoned against the dangers of communism due to our broken capitalism! by [deleted] in LateStageCapitalism

[–]jykylsin2034 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

User created 5/24

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But do you have them in cheap black leather?

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[–]Captzapheart 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I never said it was an argument for communism,there are very powerful arguments in favour communism, but that wasn't one of them. And thanks for the almost civil response.

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[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree that publicly funded research should come with a requirement that profits get paid back into the government. That is something we can improve on. However, that is not a pro-commnist argument. That is not a pro anything argument. When you make that argument as an insinuation that a different system would be better you are lying. No system can ever have open research because then every other country will just steal all that research and then spend their money literally advancing past the suckers who made theirs freely available. The discussion to be had here is how profitable is it to the tax payers to fund research for companies that then pay taxes? How can we create a watchdog system to make sure benefits are returned to the tax payers? Those are fair discussions. Not "hur dur capitalism is bad do communism".

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[–]Captzapheart 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Okay, I'll try. Governments do not have their own money, the raise money through taxation. Here in the UK and proberly in the US universities will apply to government for fund for research. So governments through universities will do most of the initial R&D into new tech, this is then most likely to be appropriate by the security services and military and then sold on to the corporate sector as the properties of the Intel (security sevices) community or military sector. Companies like InQtel and DARPA, even these two entities although are private companies they still get government grants ( public funds). Which brings me to my original point, if the amount of private investment in the covid Vax is thought to be 2%, so why is 100% of the profits going into private pockets....why? I don't see your problem, as a tax payer this is a reasonable question.

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[–]Shales123 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Certain things are necessities. I'm not gonna starve myself because there's no ethical consumption

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[–]Shales123 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No thanks, I'm not doing 7 years of schooling for a salary of 40k

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[–]Shales123 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And the makeup too

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[–]adultmanhwa 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What's happening now is still a capitalism but the lazy form of it. Instead of innovating they do sedentary profiting by rebranding and repackaging, buy back, making use all the loop hole that either its there or they made beforehand. Competition already crushed, proven by big tech intimidating small capital tech venture.

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[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

you cannot see this as you are too far in the hole

When people disagree with you it's not because "they just can't see the truth", it's because you are wrong. Stop coping and accept reality.

I've heard you song many times

Yet you still don't have a valid response; instead you literally just hand wave away everything with childish accusations of ignorance. There is not a single thing you have said that I don't understand and can't explain why you are wrong. You on the other hand have made zero actual arguments here, though I suspect you think you have; instead you wrote all of this as an ad hominem. Do better.

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[–]bjam27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Labor is skilled. Lazy SJWs aren't.

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[–]Tums_is_Smut_bkwrds 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just another smug, know-nothing idiot spouting off on matters of which they have no understanding beyond what their jew masters tell them to think.

'Competition for labor' has been seriously affected by the government's decision to pay people to stay home, as well as many other policies. This is not a weakness of capitalism, but the result of socialism.

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[–]Zapped 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You try to find even semi-skilled labor for $7.25/hour right now and let me know if you have any success. Even some non-skilled jobs in my area are starting at $11 an hour right now because people are still choosing sit at home for the extra Covid-19 unemployment.

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[–]Captzapheart 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

what I think is interesting about this story is that it highlights the coruption with both private and public or as you've been taught to think of it "capitalist and communist",you cannot see this as you are too far in the hole. There come a point when someone is so militant and set, that conversing is pointless. You are one such person, your manner is crude and belligeren, your knowlage limited. I've heard you song many times so there is little you can enlighten me to, and you don't seem interested in my point of view, so why waste each other's time, if you came across as less militant, fundamentalist or straight up mad, of course I would love to engage in political discord. It is on these ground that I deny a basic political conversation with you, In short, you should chill the f*ck out, and stop believing everything you are being told by right wing think tanks .... Perhaps even take a little time to learn to think for yourself and how to talk to people.... Sincerely.

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[–]EndlessSunflowers[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

U.S. minimum wage is $7.25 / hour . . .
If anyone in a position of power was even trying, it would be double that.
If they could get away with just buying people and getting free slave labor, it would be that.

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[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Where is the publicly available research that is provided by communist and socialist societies? It is also paid for by "the pubic". Have you ever tried being as critical of your ideology as you are of capitalism? From what I have seen the bigger the government the bigger the corruption. As much as there is a separation of church and state there should be an even greater separation of business and state. The state should exist to protect everyone's individual right to conduct buisness as freely as possible. Those who can will do, and those who can't will benefit by proximity. It is not for the state to undo the inequalities of genetics, birthright, or luck. That is a power that will never, ever be wielded as intended.

I won't be drawn into this "can you pee higher

That is literally the only conversation to have because there is no perfect system, therefore the best we can do is to pick the best system. If that is not a conversation you are interested in having then you should not use the world capitalism, let alone talk shit about it. What you are doing is picking a fight you can't win and then running away.

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[–]Captzapheart 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

you are right, it is corruption. It does however go on openly within capitalist jurisdictions and for many decades, if you check out the story of Aron Swartz (one of the designers of this platforms format) he attempted to reveal publicly funded research to the public and found out how deep this coruption goes, unfortunaly to his own detriment. I'm sorry but I won't be drawn into this "can you pee higher under capitalism, socialism or Communism" as they all clearly have pros and cons.

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[–]Captzapheart 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm in the UK, paid for in taxes, free at the point of delivery.

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[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Monopoly is the game, but hypocrisy is how they play it.

“Private ownership of the globe by single individuals will appear quite as absurd as private ownership of one man by another..." by EndlessSunflowers in LateStageCapitalism

[–]Bigs 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Well that would be the first choice, that it allows them and so proves useless at preventing them - but take an amused upvote anyway

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[–]jet199 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe you should look at his life as much a read his work.

I judge people by their actions not their words and in this he very much did not practice what he preached.

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[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Its the presbyterians! Read between the lines!