Indoctrination / DoublethinkSince the beginning of time

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[–]JulienMayfair 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Funny how I lived through most of the 80s, 90s, and 00s without running into many trans people involved in gay activism. Actually, for the 80s, the count would be zero.

But I suppose that youngsters like this one just believe what they've been told by other TRAs.

And, for that matter, most LGB goals of the time were also of benefit to trans people, like getting rid of sodomy laws, so if trans people were involved, it's not it was some sort of selfless effort.

[–]chazzstrong 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The idea of transgenderism didn't even exist until the 90s, and it certainly wasn't part of the LGB movement. The 'T' never stood for transgender.

[–]JulienMayfair 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I went to a highly-ranked university in the 1980s, and I never even heard the concept of being transgender mentioned once. And I had some bleeding-heart lefty friends.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They were called transsexuals or transvestites then. And if there was a Q included, it meant Questioning. Even if reclaimed, the idea of having 'Queer' as a separate letter nested inside the 'Queer' acronym makes no sense at all. But then again, these are the people who created 'Latinx'.

[–]Lovebirds_fury 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Gender dysphoria seems to be a modern mental illness. At the very least it seems internet made it worse and more common.

I think people from the past were too busy working and living on miserable conditions to be able to worry about something so stupid like gender. But idk, it's true gender roles have always existed, and religion has always been obsessed about enforcing them. I imagine that could have caused dysphoria in some people.

I doubt they committed suicide for that or became delusional thinking they could change their sex, though. That's a 21 century problem

[–]NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The 'T' in my time (80s/90s/00s) stood for "transsexual". There were two possible meanings:

1) AGP, which were shunned outside of Rocky Horror Picture Show type of fan-girling
2) HSTS, which were shunned by heteros

"Gender" was just a synonym for "sex". It was a substitute word, not a personal descriptive.

Radfem ideology was starting to become a little more prevalent during those decades, and we started to learn about gender *roles* ... but there was never a "gender" of the psyche that erased sex/biology.

Gender dysphoria was recognized as a medical and mental health condition to be treated. AGPs didn't have it, they were fetishists. HSTS had it, and needed help.

[–]JoshuaNumbersHomo Sap 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That thread sure is a lot of words to scream "I'm not crazy, you're the one who's crazy!" at a mirror. That is very close to Batman villain levels of cognitive dissonance. Like some serious Arkham Asylum shit. I truly believe that gender is a social construct, it's just that a dark, mentally broken, dystopian society constructed it. Paranoid personality disorder needs to take out a restraining order on whatever this is.

I'm making jokes because my only real thought about it is "holy shit, this is looking kind of violently insane." I've read articles about how there are levels of psychopathy where the afflicted can convince themselves of a lie so thoroughly that it fools an MRI scan used as a lie detector. This is that and there is a lot of them.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I Lived through the 80'S+ and it was always homosexual or Gay & lesbian. G&L rights, G&L bookstores, G&L bars, G&L community center, organizations, magazines, etc. Every book talked about Gays and lesbians, anything the dealt with "Gender" was about masculinity and femininity, but within your own sex, and not denying your own sex. Getting someone to interact with a person with the opposite sex genitals was considered an attack on our sexuality by homophobes. Bisexuals were included eventually as they were overlooked in our community. It was all about drag queens, not transexuals. They came out of nowhere, though now I know they were fighting to get in for a long time.

I wonder why these people never question WHY organizations like Glaad (The gay and lesbian alliance against defamation) only include homosexuals in the name if trans were there all along.

[–]automoderatorHuman-Exclusionary Radical Overlord[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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