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[–]Lovebirds_fury 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

In Spanish, neutral language sounds ridiculous tbh. I imagine is easier in English.

Its dissapointing to see that so many people support this nonsense. Only 33% of those aged 18 to 44 think the language shouldn't be changed for the preferences of a niche group of people.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This sounds ridiculous in English as well, because the "neutral" pronoun is also a plural pronoun.

[–]TransspeciesUnicornI sexually identify as a mythical sparkly equine 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Also it's just grammatically confusing if you're talking about a group of they/thems. When you use "they" in that case it's not going to be clear whether you're referring to one "they" or the entire group of "theys". It's just so stupid to use a plural pronoun for a known singular entity. The singular they is only supposed to be for an unknown person/group for a reason. 🙄🙄🙄

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It is interesting that they didn't choose "it" instead, which is the actual neutral singular pronoun. Many people already use that term to refer to a living creature whose sex is indeterminate—until they learn which sex it has, at least. So it's less weird than using a plural pronoun in a singular sense. "It" fits the NB use case exactly.

Except for the part where it implies a possible lack of personhood and therefore a lack of self, ego, etc. precisely because it leaves out the presence of a biological sex, which objects and some living non-mammals do not possess. But so does "they" unless they are forgetting that "they" is also used to refer to groups of inanimate objects.

Basically this use of "they" is simply illiterate. They want the acknowledgement of their personhood which "she" and "he" confer while pretending to be neither of those sexes.

[–]TransspeciesUnicornI sexually identify as a mythical sparkly equine 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It feels like it's basically the same principle behind the "Royal We". It's not about being literate or making sense, it's about indicating elevated status. European monarchs used the "Royal We" to indicate their status as royalty, enbies are using "they" to indicate their status in the new trans/enby priest class. So of course they wouldn't use "it" -- that doesn't convey any sense of specialness.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah... this reminds me of how, in French, "vous" is both the plural and "formal singular" form of "you".

But of course such usage makes zero sense in English...

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But this falls to a third (33 per cent) among younger generations (aged 18 to 44), and nearly a quarter (23 per cent) think such changes are needed to ‘keep up with the times’.

Yes, any time some loud, childish narcissists push for something because they joined a cult, we should think of that as "the times" and rush to comply.

[–]bife_de_lomo 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But 38 per cent agree that a person who identifies as they/them has a right to be offended

What does it mean to have a "right" to be offended?

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Presumably it would mean nothing, unless the individual asserting that "right" expects some sort of punitive action to be taken as soon as they say they're offended.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Honestly I'm all for this. Once everyone's doing it, it's not special anymore, and the attraction wears thin. I have so many women at my work (some lesbian, some hetero) who have adopted they/them pronouns. I mean, I get it, it's a defence against being labelled 'basic', 'karen', 'cis white whatever', but god, I dread interacting with them.

[–]INeedSomeTimeAsexual Ally 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Same. Once it becomes "normalized" all these genderspecials will stop being genderspecials. I guess they will latch to being "systems" aka appropriate DID and water it down into something similar to non-binary. Not related to trauma, just being born a system or some shit like that.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To paraphrase Syndrome in The Incredibles: "And when everyone is super special... no one will be."

[–]automoderatorHuman-Exclusionary Radical Overlord[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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