LGB ErasureAGB>30 mod goes on virtue-signaling tirade/purge

submitted by JulienMayfair from self.LGBDropTheT

There was some subreddit drama today where someone posted on AGB about being banned from the related AskGayBrosOver30 sub over something trans-related, a sub that has a notoriously ban-happy TRA and general wokescold moderator. It was probably an unwise move for the redditor posting on AGB because it looks like the moderator of the >30 group got him banned from Reddit (account no longer exists) and proceeded to preemptively ban many who responded to the thread, even those who'd never been on his sub. Then he posted this long, self-righteous proclamation:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskGaybrosOver30/comments/11a72go/state_of_the_community_feb_2023_clarification_on/

So, basically, according to him, if you have any doubt about anything on the TRA agenda, you're a Bad Gay, and he won't have your disgusting presence in his subreddit.

All dissent must be silenced.

But fortunately, Saidit is outside his reach :-)

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[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ideologies that can stand on their own don't need to punish all doubt with hard bans and silencing. If you rely on enforcing silence against those who don't follow your doctrine perfectly, then maybe your doctrine is the problem.

[–]Lovebirds_fury 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

"This fuck-you-I-got-mine mentality that some are displaying is vulgar and uncivilized."

I spent the first 28 years of my life in a homophobic environment and chained by religion. What I was supposed to get? Sometimes I feel like they are living in a different reality where gay men have it easy. I don't know what mess they have on their heads.

He also says how calling out transphobia in reddit is a gamble and these poor trans haven't a safe space. Lol. They own all the lgbt subreddits and transphobia is a capital sin. Is he on drugs?

[–]JulienMayfair[S] 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

What gets me is his use of "trans brothers and sisters." The proof he gives of the "trans people have always been at the core of our community" argument is a TV show that began airing in 2018, as if you can assume that a TV show, based on what was a small subculture in one city, represents the totality of gay life over 30 years ago.

I'm in the second half of my 50s. I remember the 1970s and 1980s. I went to a liberal university. I went to the local gay bars and clubs. I did some field-organizing work for the HRC. I never heard the idea of transgender anything mentioned during my entire college career. I never met a trans person until 1992.

It's just one more attempt at hoodwinking people by cherry-picking one particular NYC subculture and generalizing from it as though it accurately represents what was going on in Atlanta, New Orleans, Chicago, San Francisco, Los Angeles, D.C., or any number of smaller cities around the United States and the Western world more generally.

There should probably be a name for acting like gay life in New York City always represented gay life everywhere, like "The New York City Fallacy." I've heard it critiqued for years, especially by activists and historians on the West Coast. In the 1970s through much of the 1990s, gay community life and culture was much more locally-centered than it later became.

And then you're assuming that a TV show written in 2018 isn't going to written by writers who have a TRA axe to grind.

But this mod's answer to bring up any of those very fair questions would be to ban you. That's the only way these people can operate -- by banning people who point out the holes in their arguments and producing the illusion of consensus.

Edit: Also, if trans people were so central to gay culture in the 80s and 90s, where are they in novels and plays of the period? Is Tony Kushner now a transphobe because there are no trans characters in Angels in America? Was everyone just a transphobe?

[–]Lovebirds_fury 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The way these people operate reminds me of my jehovah witness life. They dispose of you quietly, in the name of civility and inclusion. They are holy and perfect, not like us sex addicted, genital obsessed gays. They think that presenting a nice exterior and talking about tolerance and respect can hide their authoritarian ways. Their spaces are sanitized and scrubbed clean. It's like an immaculate grass backyard. But when you look closely, it's actually artificial grass.

Look, I'm not saying we should be like animals but...I have pets and sometimes I think they are so much better without all that nonsense. It's like these people are trying to erase the "gross" and crude parts of being human. We are not robots. We are males attracted to males and all the ideology and nice (or bad) words in the world won't be able to change that

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

problem is they have expanded the definition of trans well beyond dysphoria, so every gender non-conforming or cross dressing lgb person in history was a member of T.

[–]PriestTheyCalledHimBisexual 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. As much as I liked Ru Paul as an entertainer in the 1980s and 1990s, when he started claiming things such as "drag queens/drag kings or female/male impersonators are trans!" is when I started ignoring him. Along with the whole rewriting of the Stonewall demonstrations claiming that trans people were there, started it, etc. when this is not true.

Navel gazing academics and TQ revisionist activists are also to blame. With how they claim that anyone who ever imitated the opposite sex, was a drag queen/CD/TV for fun such as a costume party, for entertainment in a play or in character singing, etc. is trans or how Joan of Arc was trans. facepalm

[–]PriestTheyCalledHimBisexual 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

True. I am bisexual, was around in the 1980s and 1990s in Philadelphia, where it was open but only in certain sections of the city and most LGB people were discreet or out to family and friends but not to random strangers or to most people at work. I had heard of transsexuals, but did not meet any until 2003 and then it was only one or two in a very large city of millions of people and a small almost tiny LGB scene.

I knew when they were alive, or know multiple bisexual and gay people who were at the Stonewall demonstrations. Trans people were not there, did not start the demonstration, and even in NYC at the time the majority of LGB people were not out, were either closeted or very discreet, and the majority of LGB 'POC' were not out, had no plans to come out, and they did not like non-'poc' LGB people who were semi-out or completely out.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The "I got mine" mentality is exactly what I think so many pro-trans, gender theory endorsing gay men (and to a lesser extent, women, thought I think for them it's more caving to the mob) are projecting.

They have very comfortable lives and careers, they're in stable relationships and the pressures on gay men don't impact them. They just put their pronouns on their signatures and recite the mantras knowing that it gives them a career boost and political cache (for now).

They couldn't care less about gay men being sterilized or same-sex attraction being 'disappeared', because those are other people's problems.

[–]PriestTheyCalledHimBisexual 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

True, just because someone is bisexual or gay it does not mean they have it 'easier'. I know many gay and bisexual men and women who were bashed, kicked out of their homes or forced to leave, disowned by family even their lgbt "chosen family", and were in conversion therapy.

[–]Rage-Xion 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

F** that hellhole.

I bet the mod is yet another virtue signaling moron who swipes left on transmen on dating apps.

[–]Rage-Xion 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

"During that period, I had to read all kinds of lies about gay men (because it was always the gay men who were problems) from conservatives. Being equated with child rapists happened on an almost daily basis."

That part upset me the most. It's not like we didn't have countless of receipts of trans activists harassing feminists and lesbians, activists campaigning the remove the age of consent for transition, clinicians proudly showing their works on teenagers, trans-identified men parading their "trans children"... Pointing out the grooming from transactivists aren't baseless accusations when it's happening in PLAIN DAYLIGHT.

[–]PriestTheyCalledHimBisexual 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You also have trans and TQ activists who said how if you are bisexual that you are a "bigot" or "transphobe", and that as a bisexual/gay person you must fuck, date, partner with trans people and start to identify as pansexual or queer.

[–]Rage-Xion 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

whoa that's insane.

[–]PriestTheyCalledHimBisexual 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also when same sex marriage was legal for LGB men and women trans people went crazy and became even more super homophobic/biphobic. It is like this with allowing LGB people to openly serve in the military of the USA, and with employment non-discrimination laws for LGB people.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Our trans brothers and sisters are going through a hell worse than what I experienced, thanks to social media and the fact that the alt-right are using them as a target.

yeah that never happened to us, religious right and the moral majority loved us.

I got banned from that sub for explaining biological sex was binary. They told me I was entitled to my own opinion but not my own science.

[–]PriestTheyCalledHimBisexual 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah the Eastern European mod of AGB>30 is a nutty unmedicated manic/bipolar idiot who hates people who are gay/bisexual writing or discussing anything he does not personally like or agree with.

I read a post once where he falsely claimed all sort of lies, when in reality he never even graduated highschool.