DiscussionLesbians, are you afraid of each other?

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[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Thanks :)

What infuriates me is when those who should know better then start smearing an entire group because of what the infiltrators are doing in our name. They receive, believe, and re-perpetrate the gaslighting of TRAs at our expense and essentially become TRA enablers, even while professing their own dislike of TRA tactics. At that point it's the pot calling the kettle black; they've bought the ruse.

Completely agree.

Helping people to think critically, learn red flags, and check themselves would have to be part of any meaningful correction to this mess. Lazy thinking and naïveté are easily exploited.

Yup. You know, u/soundsituation sent me some links a while back about tactics used to takeover online communities... I'll see if I can't find those, you'd probably find it interesting reading if you haven't seen that sort of material already.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah, if you find anything, I would definitely like to see that. Would probably be helpful for all of us.

[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Conversation 1, about s/lesbians-- exact same pattern as with this sub: user who identifies as lesbian suddenly starts posting repeatedly about being a "gold star" and not liking bisexuals, fight starts, people leave, sub gets emptier, people get sadder and more lonely. u/soundsituation not sure if she's added back but I would be very curious to hear her input. In fact, I can't believe I missed this comment of hers about the situation-- clearly I absorbed part of her message and forgot about it!:

I don't think it's a drove of trolls. I think it's one person with tons of alts who strategically inflames the naturally existing pressure points in a group in the hopes of--my best guess--driving people away from that group. Tensions and differing opinions do exist in heterogeneous communities such as this one, and even among lesbians whose common denominator isn't a shared ideology after all, but just a bio-social reality.

There was another convo I had with her, I'll try to find it.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah, I was reviewing her post history and noticed that. I asked about her on the list of people to invite / who requested access because of some consternation about trusting SaidIt admins, of which she is one. So if you have input to add that would be welcome. I didn't see anything concerning in her posts.

(Reading the rest of your reply before responding.)

[–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Saw that just a few minutes before you commented. I've had good interactions with her; even when I've expressed my frustrations she's been patient, thoughtful and polite. I haven't looked at her comment history thoroughly, but I've had that type of interaction with her over a period of months.

Also, not a perfect argument, but she is who told me about some of the questionable tactics used by people on Saidit, and I don't know why a troll would want to inform their targets of their strategies.

Oh, and here's another conversation I had with her 5 days before where she suggested that the same pattern is happening on Ovarit right now. Which-- remember we kept getting a bunch of posts about radfems? I feel a little stupid now for engaging with those threads; I think they were probably also used to inflame tensions s/lgbdropthet.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also, not a perfect argument, but she is who told me about some of the questionable tactics used by people on Saidit, and I don't know why a troll would want to inform their targets of their strategies.

I agree, though apparently our mods have had misgivings about admins generally since Magnora recruited from the regular SaidIt user base. Given that they've mentioned admins can see everything on SaidIt, I'm not sure we will get a more detailed explanation or guidance. We'll see.

But I like what I see from her post history so I couldn't cite any visible reason to not approve her request to rejoin.

And yeah, I remember the radfem posts. Don't kick yourself; we were not thinking in saboteur terms when we engaged. It sucks to have to be more circumspect but it is preventative in the long run.