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[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The professionals who espouse the gender affirmation model will have a lot to answer for when the chickens from all these irreversible procedures come home to roost.

You know it's really funny, That's shockingly similar to what most gay men go through.

Idk about this statement at all; It sounds erroneous to me. But I'm curious about what gay guys here think about what he said in response to her. From your knowledge/experience, do you think there are any similarities at all or it just projection?

[–]dilsencySame-sex community 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

As I got older, the definition of what a man truly was changed and it was just a feeling of being comfortable in one's own body and becoming a man was that feeling for me

That's not my experience, at least. I'm male regardless of how I have felt about myself.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, it sounded pretty incomparable to me but I wasn't sure.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As I got older, the definition of what a man truly was changed and it was just a feeling of being comfortable in one's own body and becoming a man was that feeling for me

So if I'm comfortable in my own body I'm a man? And if I'm not, I'm . . . a woman? As if most people, especially teenagers, aren't comfortable in their own bodies. I had crippling body dysmorphia for a long time. There are a lot of reasons for that, but I really did think that if I could surgically alter my body in various ways, my problems would go away even though this was disordered thinking. The only thing that stopped me was not having the money to get those procedures. I'm in my 30s now and have the money but the dysmorphia has significantly lessened because I have more accomplishments under my belt at this point in my life and a lot more to feel pride in and base my self-esteem on. I did a lot of research on the procedures and picked doctors, but decided not to go through with it because I realized it's not healthy and seems perverse that I should alter my healthy body parts. I've reached a certain degree of acceptance with my body but I still spend way more time than I want to thinking about changing different parts of my body and throwing myself back into researching and planning. Society doesn't exactly make aging women feel comfortable about our bodies at all. And I can't escape these influences. The reminders are everywhere, especially in targeted ads I see on a daily basis.

And under her own logic, while she wasn't comfortable in her own body she was still a man? Or she wasn't a man yet and isn't one until she gets all of the surgeries she's after and then feels comfort in her body? But if she doesn't feel comfort in her body at that point, she's still not a man?

Not to mention "becoming a man" is not a feeling. Heck, it's not anything anyone can become other than a boy upon reaching maturity.