A poor soul's heart is aching over DroptheT meanies at Saidit

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[–][deleted] 53 insightful - 5 fun53 insightful - 4 fun54 insightful - 5 fun -  (13 children)

do we really want to disregard a group that got us started so long ago?

Started what? What did trans people start? They just hitched a ride on the already existing gay rights movement.

France legalized homosexuality in 1791. That's almost 200 years before Stonewall. Fucking Napoleon did more to advance gay rights than trans people ever did since he pushed his legal code into Netherlands, Belgium, and Luxembourg as well, legalizing homosexuality there. Maybe we should worship Napoleon as our lord and savior instead of Marsha P. Johnson.

Stonewall was never the start of the fight for gay rights. It was a tipping point in the United States, where homosexuality was still illegal, but the fight there has started long before then.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 39 insightful - 3 fun39 insightful - 2 fun40 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

I wouldn't want to paint with such a broad brush (who am I kidding? It's fun!) but it's just another example of the mindset of American exceptionalism, and the belief that everyone online is an American.

Same-sex marriage was legalised in the US in 2015. If you read some of the media around it you'd think that America was the first and only nation to have done so, never mind the fact that several European countries (and others besides, like South Africa) had legalised same-sex marriage several years previously.

You see this all the time with 'issues': ignorant, hectoring Americans from Bumblefuck, Idaho lecturing you about contemporary issues in your own country which are always viewed through the prism of their own country's history.

So Brexit is like Trump right?

No, Cody. Shut up.

I know of course that not all Americans are like this, so I hope my friends from across the pond will forgive me my little outburst. 🇺🇸

[–][deleted] 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Same-sex marriage was legalized in 2001 here in Netherlands. The US didn't even fully legalize gay sex until 2003. The US was far from the forefront of gay rights, but people on the internet treat the US gay rights movement like it was the end all, be all of gay rights.

And then young idiots here start treating the US gay rights movement like it was ours and that we should be grateful to some drag queens from the US for our rights.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's very frustrating. A (straight?) colleague wrote an internal blog post recently about how much we 'owe' to the Stonewall riots. There are discussions to have about that, sure, but no.

Black colleagues don't talk about how much they 'owe' Rosa Parks or Harriet Tubman.

[–][deleted] 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The only thing they can give credit to Stonewall for is the Pride parades. Which are arguably harmful to the LGB community at this point.

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah[S] 26 insightful - 8 fun26 insightful - 7 fun27 insightful - 8 fun -  (3 children)

I love the idea of pushing Napoleon as an LGB icon!

[–]julesburm1891 20 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Absolutely. The most iconic painting of the guy is him valiantly riding into the Alps on a steed. I’ll take that as our go-to historical image over Marsha any day.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee~=[,,_,,]=^_^= 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

we got the perfect theme song

https://youtu.be/Sj_9CiNkkn4

[–]julesburm1891 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

I literally can’t think of a better song to drunkenly sing at a gay bar.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Napoleon did he so to piss off the Church. Napoleon was the best lol

[–]fuck_reddit 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Dont forget switzerland!

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

True. Sadly Switzerland made it illegal again after Napoleon's defeat. Switzerland needed more Napoleon.

[–]fuck_reddit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Aw, i wasnt aware of that… just knew they still have a legal code based in the Napoleon code…

[–]NeedMoreCoffee~=[,,_,,]=^_^= 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

They started the ugly ass flags collection.

[–]JulienMayfair 30 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 0 fun31 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

At a certain point, you have to stop arguing about something that happened 52 years ago and start stating positions on current policy questions like transing children, male-bodied people in female sports, teaching gender-identity theory to kids as if it's fact, the woke conversion therapy bullshit, and the widespread harassment of women, especially lesbians, by TRAs.

None of those things is an LGB issue.

[–]soundsituationI myself was once a gay 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Right? Even if it wasn't historical revisionism it would still be pretty irrelevant. Why should we be expected to support a terrifying agenda that we vehemently disagree with just because they (allegedly) did us a solid half a century ago? That's mafia mentality. The whole stonewall debate is a smoke screen.

[–][deleted] 24 insightful - 7 fun24 insightful - 6 fun25 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

look, i don't know what GC means..

yes, Marsha didn't throw the first brick at Stonewall, but Stonewall was known for patrons that would be considered trans today.

"I don't like researching or reading to find out new information. I'd rather make assumptions that make me feel warm and fuzzy and cry when people tell me I'm wrong."

[–]DimDroog 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

–]ResponsibleState4 9 points 12 hours ago Please cite me a primary source. I don't believe you can. I remember the early days of gay lib. I remember Anita Bryant, Harvey Milk, the onset of AIDS. There was no transgendered presence either on the scene or in the movement. This is a revisionist narrative that first appeared in the 2010s.

Give me a clap.

I remember very, very well all of the above too.

Not once did I see a transgendered person.

Transvestites yes.

[–]Retardation_station 21 insightful - 5 fun21 insightful - 4 fun22 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Even reddit wasn't having that shit lol.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

tHeY mUSt bE beINg bRigAdEd

[–]emptiedriver 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think that poster is just a naive gay activist who has no idea what's going on. It's worth being reminded sometimes that that is how a lot of the "pro trans" people are - it isn't that they've looked at the issue and made a rational decision that gender is more important than biological sex, that male bodied people should be able to get boners in female dressing rooms by calling themselves women, that female bodied people should be able to match with you on grindr by identifying as gay men, that doctors should ignore your reproductive organs, statistics should comply with your fantasies, teenagers should be neutered if they aren't gender conforming, that women's prisons & shelters also house fully functioning males who can cause pregnancy, as long as they change their pronouns ... or any of the rest of it. They just think, oh can't we all just get along, why are they being mean to drag queens.

To anyone who isn't aware, that's not it. Most of us are 100% on board with gender non-conformity. There are plenty of old school trans people who are against the modern trans movement. Go do some research. Look up "gender critical" or 4th wave feminism or Miranda Yardley or Jane Claire Jones or just dig around a bit, there are plenty of perspectives and various degrees of reasonableness, but the current pro-Trans movement has definitely gone off the deep end. You don't want to support it without having a closer look.

[–]NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Big "THANK YOU!" to everyone who explained to the OP why we don't allow debate and/or opposing views.

Doesn't seem like he has bad intentions like a typical TRA, he's misguided and doesn't understand that we've already been down that road and this, "Drop The T", is where it got us.

[–]kwallio 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We have s/gcdebatesqt, if you want to debate please check it out.

[–]DropItLikeItsHot 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Confused, wishy-washy ramblings in defense of sexual predators who don't respect sexual boundaries. Pathetic. https://lesbian-rights-nz.org/shame-receipts/

[–]usehername 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't frequent reddit, but keep fighting the good fight lol

[–]usehername 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Stonewall was known for people wearing less than the required three clothing of assigned sex clothing, which was illegal...

That can't be real. Is it?

[–]kwallio 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think it was a real rule during that time period.