Lesbian"If you're lesbian, you must necessarily be into kink and/or infantilization" - r/actualtransbians posts a "lesbian alignment chart"

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[–]spicebutton 25 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

This seems dangerous. These are straight men in wigs who have no idea what gay or lesbian "culture" or sexual dynamics are so they end up taking things they heard from gay men and transferring them on to lesbians, creating a feedback loop where they end up teaching lesbians about their own identities and culture through the most homophobic and distorted understanding of homosexuality that they might as well be old homophobic church women explaining how gay/lesbian relationships work.

There are multiple stages to discovering your gay identity and one of them certainly includes overcoming your internalized homophobia and to stop thinking in terms of "man vs woman". There are a minority of very damaged gays and lesbians who think in these heterosexist terms and instead of learning to be better and fix themselves, we're not just validating those people but damaging even more healthy gays and lesbians.

And notice how everything is essentialized like theyre permanent identities? Even within the gay world, using top and bottom is supposed to be a shameful sign of being damaged and thinking of yourself in terms of straight man and woman. If we "YouRe VaLLLLLLiDDD" every single thing then how do we shame people's toxicty to fix them?

One thing that makes homosexual relationships superior to heterosexual ones is that theyre more egalitarian. Can we not at least still retain that?

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These are straight men in wigs who have no idea what gay or lesbian "culture" or sexual dynamics are so they end up taking things they heard from gay men and transferring them on to lesbians, creating a feedback loop where they end up teaching lesbians about their own identities and culture through the most homophobic and distorted understanding of homosexuality that they might as well be old homophobic church women explaining how gay/lesbian relationships work.

Yep.

It's not a coincidence that most of these pornsick straight men think effeminate gay men mannerisms = women. They have no clue on what's like to be gay/lesbian, so they resort to cheap stereotypes.

Even within the gay world, using top and bottom is supposed to be a shameful sign of being damaged and thinking of yourself in terms of straight man and woman.

In real life, tops bottom once in a while and bottoms also top once in a while. This is just a matter of preference, not a religion or something.

Also, wokesters love to encourage this shit, for some reason. I thought they were supposed to be progressives or something.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These are straight men in wigs who have no idea what gay or lesbian "culture" or sexual dynamics are so they end up taking things they heard from gay men and transferring them on to lesbians

You totally explain the situation better than anyone. The top and bottom in lesbian world took over after the queers insurgence, Since queers come from an hetero culture with strict roles. Roles that they want to portrait even in same sex women relationships. Young lesbians adopt this terminology because they have been taught to think like that from queers dominanted LGBT places. It's quite sad and depressing

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This seems dangerous. These are straight men in wigs who have no idea what gay or lesbian "culture" or sexual dynamics are so they end up taking things they heard from gay men and transferring them on to lesbians, creating a feedback loop where they end up teaching lesbians about their own identities and culture through the most homophobic and distorted understanding of homosexuality that they might as well be old homophobic church women explaining how gay/lesbian relationships work.

Thank you, you put this into words in a way I was struggling to.