DiscussionAn incredibly awkward question about AGP.

submitted by legit0010 from self.LGBDropTheT

I've been browsing this place for a while and i've watched a woman youtuber (you're kidding, right?) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLFw--YdTxg

I completely understand the "dysphoria" homosexuals have because theyre raised to believe their gender is "wrong" and they act like the opposite sex and need to fix themselves.

But this youtuber shows research articles by social scientists that show most transexuals are overwhelmingly straight men and quoted a research paper all the way from 1992 which showed that at the time, they were 93% of transexuals, so just imagine what the percentage is now that it's 2021.

What i dont understand is, what is so arousing about identifying as a woman for a straight man? I genuinely dont understand this. The youtuber mentioned a man who went into the change room and masturbated to trying on women's clothing. I'm not trying to be condescending but..so what? How do you get off on something like that. I understand fetishes. Feet fetish, leather fetish, piss fetish..every other fetish would make sense to me even if it's grotesque; i might not get off on it but i understand it. What's the arousal of a "gender fetish"??? What's possibly going on through their minds that dressing as a woman is "hot" to them? Gays do feminine stuff all the time but feel no arousal so why do these people? What is their mind symbolically interacting with that arouses them? I know it's not just the physical material itself.

I know this is awkward but i just dont get the mechanics of their mind and what makes them different from gay people. The closest theory i would have is that theyre so sexist and look down on women so much that it's an act of humiliation to even associate yourself with women or femininity so they get off on the shame of even identifying with something as lowly and "worthless" as femininity?? But i feel like i might be wrong on this.

Oh and one more thing...this "autogynophilia" thing...why dont homosexuals have it? We're attracted to the same sex and we are that exact same sex, so why doesnt it loop back around and why arent we aroused by ourselves? This "auto-whatever" seems like it would be a perfect mental disease for homosexuals but we dont seem to display it. If you asked anyone on the street who would suffer from this feedback loop of attraction, i think even gays/lesbians would assume it would most likely be us to suffer from it since it can loop back onto our own bodies so i find it weird it how this looped attraction just applies to these AGP men.

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What i dont understand is, what is so arousing about identifying as a woman for a straight man?

Women in the external environment for straight men are arousing. They desire to possess, in sexual, romantic, and pair-bonding fashion.

Autogynephilia can be understood as heterosexuality, but instead of finding a woman "out there" they find it in themselves. There's less of a distinction between them and their object of desire, to none at all.

It's a paraphilia, in the same way that that the feet may be the single most erotic aspect of a person to the foot fetishist, to the exclusion of the rest of the body. It depends on the relative strength of the paraphilic person's interest in normal sexuality vs their fetish.

[–]CuntWorshiperWomenholic full time | vagina fetishist part-time 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The closest theory i would have is that theyre so sexist and look down on women so much that it's an act of humiliation to even associate yourself with women or femininity so they get off on the shame of even identifying with something as lowly and "worthless" as femininity?? But i feel like i might be wrong on this.

That’s the answer to your question. Many AGP get deep into it through sissy porn. They are masochists. Like to be humiliated, used, abused, raped, servile, or whatever. And they think that’s the place of women so if they like it, they must be women. They not only get off it, it’s also logical for them.

I forgot the name of the thing who gave SPEECHES in UNIVERSITIES about transsexualism and used to said, with these words, “Sissy porn made me a woman”. There was this other one on tiktok asking men to stop respecting him and treat him with misogyny, because he likes that shit. That’s only two examples that stood out for me but there are many more like this on Twitter/Reddit/tiktok

[–]kwallio 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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[–]usehername 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep, and it's the same for AAPs with domination.

[–]legit0010[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

this almost feels like a lot heterosexuals dont know how to experience the "gender spectrum" without it breaking them? Homosexuals have their problems but once we disconnect from heterosexual culture, we seem to be alright but theyre taught that anything other than being a super hero for a man is sheer humiliation and shame and they constantly experience this humiliation and then start eroticizing it?

[–]Dromedary 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I completely understand the "dysphoria" homosexuals have because theyre raised to believe their gender is "wrong" and they act like the opposite sex and need to fix themselves.<

Uh, whatsisnow? "Homosexuals" feel dysphoria, "wrong gender"? No. Do you mean trans people, "transsexuals"? Because, no, gay people are for the most part,, not that way.

As for why many, many trans people have AGP, well, there are theories, but I'd say massive kink and fetishes are hard to explain if you don't have them, and I don't so..

Why aren't gay people attracted to themselves..well sex with one person isn't sex, it's masturbation. Wanting sex with other people you're attracted to is a normal adult thing. Lots of gay guys are plenty in love with themselves though, lol.

Karen from "You're Kidding, Right?" is wonderful, smart and funny.

[–]MisandryFTW 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

People from all walks of life deal with these feelings, but most groups are dealing with other more important things. Straight white men in particular don't have a lot to genuinely feel oppressed about so they have lots of mental energy to devote to this. In addition, autism is extremely comorbid with gender issues, and not only causes confused feelings about gender/sexuality/social roles, but also causes intense fixation on specific topics. In the vast majority of these cases "being a lesbian" becomes an autistic special interest for these men.