Milo takes on Blaire White?

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[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

That's not clear at all IMO. It avoids the elephant in the room; suffering from dysphoria, a very real phenomenon.

I didn't mention gender dysphoria in my post but it is true that gender dysphoria exists and is a real issue-- and that the very idea of "transitioning sexes" (something that is not possible) was born out of homophobia and is used to chemically castrate LGB people.

While we're talking gender dysphoria-- we want to find solutions that actually help people, right? Because there isn't conclusive evidence that "transitioning" helps. Especially among the ROGD transgender children, but even among adults!

I believe that an adult who is capable of consenting ought to have the right to undergo the route of "transitioning" if they so desire, the same as I believe anyone has the right to pursue any other type of alternative medication even though it does not have scientific backing.

and, like you, over diagnosis from external pressure (read conversion therapy).

Gotcha. But, I think it is conversion therapy if someone is forced into it (e.g. by a parent or peers) AND if someone chooses to undergo it... it is still conversion therapy either way. Even though a consenting adult has the right to undergo it (e.g. I don't like that some gay people seek out religious conversion therapy or transgender conversion therapy, and it won't work, but I recognize their right to do it).

Though I think trans identified gay & lesbian is something else entirely and best viewed with skepticism; these people are demonstrably heterosexual.

Agreed.

It's just not a decision a kid can make, at all, especially when the dysphoria so frequently subsides following puberty.

Agreed.

[–]slushpilot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

it is true that gender dysphoria exists and is a real issue

It exists, but I also wonder how much of it is a "real issue". I suspect the current surge is often wrongly attributed because of increased anxiety among youth, and simply self-diagnosed / self-identified as such—which a therapist is now expected to "affirm".

So I wouldn't simply agree that it's a "real issue"—but it is complex.

Some teenagers/young adults that I know are afraid of picking up the phone to make an appointment or introduce themselves & ask people for what they need. Whatever underlies that kind of insecurity & anxiety is likely related to the cause of things like ROGD...

Since smartphones & social media, it's the first generation that's been able to avoid navigating in-person interactions & develop a social identity disconnected from physical reality. Then, add some insane ideas from the internet and puberty into the mix—and are we really surprised?

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It exists, but I also wonder how much of it is a "real issue". I suspect the current surge is often wrongly attributed because of increased anxiety among youth, and simply self-diagnosed / self-identified as such—which a therapist is now expected to "affirm".

Totally agree! I was mostly thinking of LGB people when I said that, since I've seen so many "cis" LGB people say they've had experiences with it. But you're right.

Some teenagers/young adults that I know are afraid of picking up the phone to make an appointment or introduce themselves & ask people for what they need. Whatever underlies that kind of insecurity & anxiety is likely related to the cause of things like ROGD...

Yup, I know a lot of people my age like that.

[–]markiemarcus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Oh I totally agree on the evidence (or lack thereof) with regards to quality of life post transition. That's troubling. On aggregate it seems to be a wash. There are a few ways of reading that; that it doesn't really help anybody, or that it really helps as many as it really harms. All the more reason for insisting upon informed consent...which makes one a heretic these days.

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Gotcha, makes sense. Yeah, I sure feel like a heretic some days, lol. The lack of transparency regarding the transgender movement is astounding.

[–]markiemarcus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh it's crazy isn't it? Especially with regards to the medical side. I can't think of any other circumstances where it would be deemed "progressive" to be so extremely reckless and spit on informed consent. They've been handing out puberty blockers like candy under the guise of them being a totally safe and reversible "pause button". That's just a lie; we know exactly what Lupron does.